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    Posted: June 23 2012 at 12:44pm
I have had a massive outbreak of hair algae in my 90 gallon tank. I have traced it down to high nitrates and phosphates and I have cleaned out all my filters and I have done water changes will little to no success in dropping them. 

I have read about vodka dosing and was wondering if that would be a good thing for me to be doing at this point. I'm also looking into getting a tang or lawnmower blenny to put in there. I have a bunch of snails and hermit crabs, but I'm not seeing them eat any of it. 

So, would vodka dosing along with a tang or 2 on top of my weekly water changes and filter cleanings, be enough to help me get rid of this algae? I'm so frustrated with it I'm almost ready to throw in the towel...
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It could help if done correctly. really read the thread on it along with the articles that were linked. also the water changes could be adding to the problem. Cut back on feeding, try blacking out the tank for a while, and give the herbivors time to feed.
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I would highly suggest putting a lot of time and study into Vodka dosing before you even think about implementing it. And maybe not even then either. I would also suggest slowing down on the water changes. How about some pictures and actual parameters?
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I will work on getting the params and pics up, it might take a couple days.
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here are just a few things to do while your researching the Vodka dosing. water changes don't decrease phosphates, your going to have to go get phosguard and run it in your tank. Remember to change it out every two days or it's in effective. The reason your snails and hermies wont touch it is because the algae is to long. the longer it is the less tasty it is. so here comes the gross part. get in there and pull as much off the rocks as you can. I constantly struggle with hair algae and this helps every time. you also might want to beef up your turbo snail crew as well. an extra 5 should help and not offset the balance of food availability. all snails will live after algae has gone in other words. something else to consider is your lighting. how old are your light? if it's getting close to a year that may be helping with the growth. 
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Another thing to do is scrub it off with a toothbrush when your doing water changes and suck as much of it out as possible... and run a filter bag to catch the rest, changing it very often....

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Whats your cleaning crew like? Are you making new saltwater with ro water? How old are your filters in your ro system? For sure stop feeding the tank and black it out! Are you running any gfo?
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My cleaning crew is almost 50 strong between snails and crabs. i have been using R/O water when I can. I change them once a year. I can't black my tank out because I have corals that need the light. I'm not running any GFO.
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I was also ready to throw in the towel before I found out how to control algae. The Ugly Green Haired Mermaid is the short story. Click here for the Sea Star article Saving a Reef which gives the technique that helped. Look below in the WMAS Reefkeeping Tips for the Tip Solving an Algae Problem as well as a few other Tips where we have helped hobbyists deal with algae.

There are some misconceptions about algae, nutrients and light. If you don't mind, may I give a little factual information that will help?

- Algae grows when it has three things: food, light and a lack of algae eaters (herbivores) to keep it under control.
- Tangs are great herbivorous fish as are Rabbitfish. I highly recommend them, though sometimes a fish may ignore the algae, so we cannot trust them. Lawnmower Blennies are just too small to quickly eat up a lot of algae in a 90.
- Snails are the most useful of any of the herbivores, but they have a hard time cleaning up when the algae has gotten out of control and as you have noticed, the algae may not taste good to them. The algae tastes better when it has started to die (see Darkening a tank below).
- One snail per gallon of water is a good rule of thumb. This means there are not enough snails for this 90 gal tank and when there is already an algae problem, double the snails (180), let them eat it up and sell or trade those that are no longer needed after the algae is back under control.
- Algae Food is actually water pollution. It's the Nitrogen compounds of Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate. It can come from many sources, the least of which is fresh water. Fish food is the major culprit.
- Light of almost any type or spectrum can grow algae, no matter how new or old the bulbs.
- Darkening the tank does not have to bother coral if the darkening is done properly. Actinic/blue light is what coral need the most but it's not so good at growing algae. Two days of darkness and then a day of Actinic light keeps coral okay but starts algae to dieing so that snails will eat it up.
- Carbon dosing with vodka, sugar, or extra invert food, etc., is rarely the answer to eliminating an algae problem, though its one complicated way to reduce algae growth after the algae bloom has been eliminated.

Please feel free to ask a lot of questions and let us know how quickly this helps.
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As always, Mark says it bestClap
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I actually agree with everything Mark said. That doesn't happen a lot
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I learned everything I know from hobbyists like you. Smile

Pics are important because there is hair algae and then there is Bryopsis algae, sometimes mistaken for hair algae. We know a pretty easy way to get rid of Bryopsis. To discover whether you have Bryopsis, look here for pics of the different types of algae we find in our tanks http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5037

Oh and one more thing, the best herbivorous snails are Astrea, Cerith, Nerite, Hawaiian Strombus, and Margarita (Mexican Turbo). A combination of these is recommended because they each eat a little differently.
Large Pacific Turbo Snails are also great algae eaters but they knock things over, so we generally only recommend them to tanks that don't have small unattached coral frags.
The Nasarrius Snails are not useful because they don't eat algae, preferring instead to just wait in the sand until they smell fish food floating by.

There are some good people right here on this MB that sell the herbivorous snails at decent prices. Arthuriv is one of them.
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just looked through the pics. I definitely have hair algae.  
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Corals can go with out light for several days (think storms)

How old is the tank? How have you been feeding? Frequency and amount?
Uv? Ozone? Skimmer?

I found that when haveing a bad out break (only happened on my ray system) that turbos mowed it down great. However the root cause needs to be figured out and fixed for long term health.
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Sorry its been a while responding. the tank is 5 years old. I feed a small pinch of food about 1 flake per fish once a day. I don't have a uv, ozone or skimmer at the moment, but plan on getting one. I have turbos in there but they don't seem to want to touch it.
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OK 5 years old with out a skimmer can be the problem. Have you cleaned the sand at all? IT will become a nutrient trap over time with out the other equipment helping to clean up.
couple things you can do there.
1- use a sand vacuum and suck the top layer of sections with every water change. this will remove the built up detritus.
2- to really clean it up I would empty the rock coral and fish. Stir the snot out of the sand and drain. Re fill with new water and re set it up. Instant clean. Ive done this several times with older tanks and it works awesome.
Same goes with the sump. It needs to be cleaned every once in a while or it just becomes a trap of crap.:)
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I do a complete cleaning of the tank once a year cleaning the substrate and rock.
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I believe that Dion may be speaking of the cleanup that would be needed for a neglected aquarium. Yours does not sound neglected, but rather it sounds like the biofiltration is a little out of balance. It sounds like the yearly cleaning has been used to eliminate nuisance algae and bring the tank back into balance.

If I were there, I'd offer to come visit and discuss how your maintenance fits in with the easy way to keep a beautiful aquarium. Since a visit is not possible, we can do this remotely. May we go over a few things?

1) Of the 50 snails and hermits, if you don't mind, please give us a breakdown of the number and types of snails.
2) Pics of the system will be really helpful for us to help you. We can suggest how to resolve this algae problem, without a full tank cleaning, so that the algae never returns and improve the aquarium so that it cleans itself, with or without a skimmer, I might add.
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I cleaned everything out using regular tap water. I didn't use any chemicals. I have been vodka dosing and so far everything is doing great. I am concerned about my bullseyes not extending the way they used to but, I figure they will be alright. I have been testing my water and my nitrates are down to 40 after being above 200 a month ago. I have not noticed any sludge buildup in my tank and got an urchin to help with algae and he has been slowly, but surly decimating the algae. I went and got a phosphate filter pad today to cut and put into my overflow and I will be getting my own test kits.
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Dont use tapwater, contains phospates and other elements that arent good for a tank. Try using RO when cleaning and doing water changes... I vodka dosed when i had a problem... Worked for a while then flipped upside down and basically crashed my tank...  when i was a newb.. Not recommeneded, unless you know exactly what your doing. .
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