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FYI it did not make it. Cry Melted away in less than a day.  
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I'm sorry to hear that. I feared the worst.

For those of you interested in my experience, here's some of it. I knew how controversial this was going to be, and I didn't have time to sit here and debate it, especially with a coral quickly dying. I still don't want to debate it without actual scientific proof to the contrary.

Several other reefkeepers and I have been studying trachyphyllia issues specifically for the last three years. Most issues are caused by simple stuff: water parameters, etc. However, there's definitely something else going on in another group of issues. I've managed to save 4 now with those issues, but I lost a lot trying. (More info:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1918483)

What I've seen happen is that a mouth die below the tissue on Trachy's (but will appear normal for a little while), and once the mouth goes, that whole side will start to go...which triggers an infection that kills the remaining healthy coral. When I've noticed this happening, the only way I've been able to save the healthy side is to cut off all necrotic tissue and into the healthy tissue. Then, I superglue the healthy tissue onto the freshly cut skeleton.dip it in a 10:1 tank water to hydrogen peroxide solution for 20 seconds, followed by a 10 minute dip in 0.5ml Bayer to 2 cups tank water, followed by a 10 minute dip in Coral Rx. If the recession nears the other mouth, then it's probably too late.

I don't know what causes this, and unfortunately my microscope broke. If I leave out any one of the three dips above, I haven't had a trachy make it. I'm not sure why that combination so far has been successful, but it has (as long as there is at least one fully healthy mouth.) Hydrogen peroxide dips tend to kill off nuisance algae, Bayer is an insecticide, and Coral Rx is great for infections. I do all three dips on most sick corals just to hit all three areas. I don't know why this particular syndrome (if I may call it that) responds to all three.   

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Sorry to hear the Trach didn't make it.

Nikki,

Would this type of treatment be useful in treating other LPS. While I have never had a Trach I have had a nice size wall hammer with flesh that started receding on one end and seemed to work it's way down into the skeleton eventually loosing all of its tentacles and dying. I was new to the hobby and didn't know how to treat it and cutting a wall hammer seemed risky to me. I'm pretty sure the cause was an overly aggressive maroon clownfish damaged the tissue on the edge of the skeleton and an infection set in. Could a similar treatment be used in such a situation to stop the spread of infection and save the coral? Also Bayer makes a few different insecticides, is there a particular product you use for the dip?

Thanks for the brief description of the treatment. I'll have to file this one and the other links for future reference.

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Hi Burt...

I hope you mean that it was losing all of its tentacles....   

I treat nearly all my sick LPS with that three-step dip process. It seems to knock out everything on a sick coral. I don't recommend it for a healthy coral though. Most infections are knocked out with CoralRx and good water parameters...unless it's Vibrio (causes widespread bleaching in a coral usually.)

Bayer is great for real pests/parasites. However, it's nasty stuff, so I wouldn't touch it...and keep it away from kids. Here's all the info you'll need on it.
http://www.reefdup.com/2012/09/02/bayer-coral-dip/

Hydrogen peroxide dips are one that I rarely recommend to anyone but someone really experienced. It's tricky to tell when to pull the coral out... But, if you get experienced with it, it kills off all the bryopsis, bubble algae, etc.
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Yes, the Bayer works very well.  And it can also be used for lawn grubs.
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Originally posted by ReefdUp ReefdUp wrote:

Hi Burt...

I hope you mean that it was losing all of its tentacles....   

I treat nearly all my sick LPS with that three-step dip process. It seems to knock out everything on a sick coral. I don't recommend it for a healthy coral though. Most infections are knocked out with CoralRx and good water parameters...unless it's Vibrio (causes widespread bleaching in a coral usually.)

Bayer is great for real pests/parasites. However, it's nasty stuff, so I wouldn't touch it...and keep it away from kids. Here's all the info you'll need on it.
http://www.reefdup.com/2012/09/02/bayer-coral-dip/

Hydrogen peroxide dips are one that I rarely recommend to anyone but someone really experienced. It's tricky to tell when to pull the coral out... But, if you get experienced with it, it kills off all the bryopsis, bubble algae, etc.


Sorry for the typo, yes I did mean losing.

I'm pretty familiar with using Hydrogen Peroxide to kill off nuisance algae. I usually try to remove the corals from the tank and spot treat then replace but have on occasion done a dip. Thanks for the info on Bayre.
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LOL...I wasn't talking about loosing vs losing.

I was talking about what you typed instead of tentacles. I hope the coral wasn't losing it's testicles!!
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Got to love automatic spell checkers. Well at least I'll give everyone a laugh over that one.

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Was wondering if there is any scientific testing that has been done on corals that has lost their testicles.
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Hi Paul,

Sounds like a good research project for you. Check it out and report back.
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Maybe Mark has a all natural way to keep up the corals testosterone levels.
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Originally posted by builderofdreams builderofdreams wrote:

Maybe Mark has a all natural way to keep up the corals testosterone levels.
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