trachyphyllia dying?
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Topic: trachyphyllia dying?
Posted By: Erikts
Subject: trachyphyllia dying?
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 8:30am
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I have had this trachyphyllia for 3 months. When I first got it it lost a small piece of flesh (Brown section) No other loss until now and the right side is slowly melting off the skeleton. The Left side still looks great and is inflating. Water Parameters are all good.  ------------- 34G solana |
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Posted By: JohnnyHeavens
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 8:53am
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What lights? Any new tank mates? ------------- @Home 300g System 150g-Cube Reef+60g Frag+WaterChange 150g Tall FOWLR RIP @Work RSM 130D w/LEDs txt anytime @ eightO1-seven5five-eighteen99 Scuba! PADI Pro DM/AI/TecDeep NSS/CDS-Full Cave Diver |
Posted By: Erikts
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 8:58am
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DIY Full Spectrum LEDs. No new tank mates for a while. ------------- 34G solana |
Posted By: JohnnyHeavens
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 9:00am
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pic is pretty small. What's the brown area? Was it by chance under sand for a while? ------------- @Home 300g System 150g-Cube Reef+60g Frag+WaterChange 150g Tall FOWLR RIP @Work RSM 130D w/LEDs txt anytime @ eightO1-seven5five-eighteen99 Scuba! PADI Pro DM/AI/TecDeep NSS/CDS-Full Cave Diver |
Posted By: Erikts
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 9:07am
the small brown section is the exposed skeleton with algea on it.  ------------- 34G solana |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 9:10am
If you want our best help, we need to know what you know. Thanks for the pic. It tells me a lot. I need to know the numnbers for four water parameters: Alk  Ca Mg I Have there been changes in any other of the LPS Also tell us about this tanks filtration and post a full tank shot(not the stand, just the tank and sump/Refugium) Thanks for that second pic, posted while i was writing. Because of the coral expelling its Zooxanthellae algae, I'm concerned that this may be compounded by a lighting issue. Mahalo, Mark  808-345-1049 call/text anytime ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Erikts wrote:Posted By: Fatman
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 9:40am
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Erikts, you need to get with Reef'd Up today and see what she can do. Trachs are difficult to save but she is the best. She'll save it if anyone can. Fat ------------- February 4: Winter Banquet at the Living Planet Aquarium Tickets: http://utahreefs.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=36 |
Posted By: Erikts
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 9:40am
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I just tested and I dose 2 part manually and looks like my Mg is off a little. I am adding a dosing pump this week it just came. So I will get the Mg up then add the pump. Is the trachyphyllia a goner?
ca 400 Alk 8.0 Mg 800 FTS  ------------- 34G solana |
Posted By: Ann_A
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 10:32am
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Get mag up, dip the trach in CoralRX (or something similar), and talk to Reefdup. ------------- http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53856&title=annes-65g-rsm-reef" rel="nofollow - RSM 250 Reef |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 2:45pm
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Is there a clownfish in the tank? ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Erikts
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 3:00pm
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yes a pair ------------- 34G solana |
Posted By: Hogie
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 4:12pm
| +1 talk to Reefdup. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 6:52pm
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Aloha, No, it's not a goner. It's going to be fine. This is not an infection. I'm fairly certain of this. I have grown and sold coral for about 15 years. I've seen this condition many times before. Do not dip it in anything. This fading has been in progress for weeks. right It may need to be moved to a more favorable location in the tank or a different tank. Thanks for the tank pic. It's helpful, but I cannot see the coral in the FTS. If the coral is not in the shade of a rock overhang, I would move it further back out of direct light. Move other coral out of the way so there is room for it in the shade. I'm sorry, but the Mg is not just a little off, it's way off. Buy Some Tech M and bring that level up to 1300 over the next 2 days, 200 ppm per day. What coral is upstream from the Trach? In other words what coral is the water flowing past before it flows over the Trach There are a lot of different coral in the tank. Are you running AC at least one week/month Please explain the tanks filtration. How old is the tank How about the Iodine level Have your favorite LFS check the I level in the water, buy some Lugols or Tech I and do a half dosage now.Please feel free to call me if you want to discuss it quickly and not have to wait for the MB. Mahalo, Mark 808-345-1049 call/text anytime ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 7:05pm
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LOL... wow, I'm not even going to bother responding on the previous statements. If you want my help, PM me. No freshwater dips...just please don't do that. http://www.reefdup.com/2013/03/24/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-2/" rel="nofollow - http://www.reefdup.com/2013/03/24/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-2/ http://www.reefdup.com/2012/02/10/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-part-ii/" rel="nofollow - http://www.reefdup.com/2012/02/10/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-part-ii/ ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: fishnfresh
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 7:28pm
| agreed with many above pm ReefdUp she is very good at helping saving corals. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: June 12 2013 at 7:42pm
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Coral are very resilient, more than we give them credit. When things like water quality and light are out of sync, they suffer but can heal themselves when given help. Aloha, Mark ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 10:01am
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Trachs are cool. - John
------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: bfessler
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 11:24am
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Hi Nikki, If you don't mind sharing your thoughts here they might prove helpful to others reading the posts. I'm not trying to start a battle over whose treatment is best but would be interested in your treatment suggestions. ------------- Burt An equal opportunity reefer, I support all hobbyists and organizations involved in Marine Aquarium Keeping. [email protected] |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 1:04pm
Nikki documented the recovery process of her Trach's very well. http://www.reefdup.com/2013/03/24/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-2/" rel="nofollow - HERE and http://www.reefdup.com/2012/02/10/rescuing-dying-corals-trachyphyllia-part-ii/" rel="nofollow - HERE Hope that helps! ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 4:10pm
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Thanks Pete. I have several other ones that were more recent (and looked even worse initially) that I still need to write about. So much to do...so little time. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: Erikts
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 4:16pm
FYI it did not make it.  Melted away in less than a day. ------------- 34G solana |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 4:57pm
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I'm sorry to hear that. I feared the worst. For those of you interested in my experience, here's some of it. I knew how controversial this was going to be, and I didn't have time to sit here and debate it, especially with a coral quickly dying. I still don't want to debate it without actual scientific proof to the contrary. Several other reefkeepers and I have been studying trachyphyllia issues specifically for the last three years. Most issues are caused by simple stuff: water parameters, etc. However, there's definitely something else going on in another group of issues. I've managed to save 4 now with those issues, but I lost a lot trying. (More info: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1918483" rel="nofollow - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1918483 ) What I've seen happen is that a mouth die below the tissue on Trachy's (but will appear normal for a little while), and once the mouth goes, that whole side will start to go...which triggers an infection that kills the remaining healthy coral. When I've noticed this happening, the only way I've been able to save the healthy side is to cut off all necrotic tissue and into the healthy tissue. Then, I superglue the healthy tissue onto the freshly cut skeleton.dip it in a 10:1 tank water to hydrogen peroxide solution for 20 seconds, followed by a 10 minute dip in 0.5ml Bayer to 2 cups tank water, followed by a 10 minute dip in Coral Rx. If the recession nears the other mouth, then it's probably too late. I don't know what causes this, and unfortunately my microscope broke. If I leave out any one of the three dips above, I haven't had a trachy make it. I'm not sure why that combination so far has been successful, but it has (as long as there is at least one fully healthy mouth.) Hydrogen peroxide dips tend to kill off nuisance algae, Bayer is an insecticide, and Coral Rx is great for infections. I do all three dips on most sick corals just to hit all three areas. I don't know why this particular syndrome (if I may call it that) responds to all three.  ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: bfessler
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 9:21pm
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Sorry to hear the Trach didn't make it. Nikki, Would this type of treatment be useful in treating other LPS. While I have never had a Trach I have had a nice size wall hammer with flesh that started receding on one end and seemed to work it's way down into the skeleton eventually loosing all of its tentacles and dying. I was new to the hobby and didn't know how to treat it and cutting a wall hammer seemed risky to me. I'm pretty sure the cause was an overly aggressive maroon clownfish damaged the tissue on the edge of the skeleton and an infection set in. Could a similar treatment be used in such a situation to stop the spread of infection and save the coral? Also Bayer makes a few different insecticides, is there a particular product you use for the dip? Thanks for the brief description of the treatment. I'll have to file this one and the other links for future reference. ------------- Burt An equal opportunity reefer, I support all hobbyists and organizations involved in Marine Aquarium Keeping. [email protected] |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 9:32pm
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Hi Burt... I hope you mean that it was losing all of its tentacles....  I treat nearly all my sick LPS with that three-step dip process. It seems to knock out everything on a sick coral. I don't recommend it for a healthy coral though. Most infections are knocked out with CoralRx and good water parameters...unless it's Vibrio (causes widespread bleaching in a coral usually.) Bayer is great for real pests/parasites. However, it's nasty stuff, so I wouldn't touch it...and keep it away from kids. Here's all the info you'll need on it. http://www.reefdup.com/2012/09/02/bayer-coral-dip/" rel="nofollow - http://www.reefdup.com/2012/09/02/bayer-coral-dip/ Hydrogen peroxide dips are one that I rarely recommend to anyone but someone really experienced. It's tricky to tell when to pull the coral out... But, if you get experienced with it, it kills off all the bryopsis, bubble algae, etc. ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: Fatman
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 11:01pm
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Yes, the Bayer works very well. And it can also be used for lawn grubs.
------------- February 4: Winter Banquet at the Living Planet Aquarium Tickets: http://utahreefs.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=36 |
Posted By: bfessler
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 7:33am
Sorry for the typo, yes I did mean losing. I'm pretty familiar with using Hydrogen Peroxide to kill off nuisance algae. I usually try to remove the corals from the tank and spot treat then replace but have on occasion done a dip. Thanks for the info on Bayre. ------------- Burt An equal opportunity reefer, I support all hobbyists and organizations involved in Marine Aquarium Keeping. [email protected] |
Posted By: ReefdUp
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 8:30am
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LOL...I wasn't talking about loosing vs losing. I was talking about what you typed instead of tentacles. I hope the coral wasn't losing it's testicles!! ------------- www.reefdup.com Diving since 2009, reefkeeping since 2007, & fishkeeping since 1987 200g, 75g, & 15g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water |
Posted By: bfessler
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 8:38am
 Got to love automatic spell checkers. Well at least I'll give everyone a laugh over that one.------------- Burt An equal opportunity reefer, I support all hobbyists and organizations involved in Marine Aquarium Keeping. [email protected] |
Posted By: builderofdreams
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 9:20am
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Was wondering if there is any scientific testing that has been done on corals that has lost their testicles. ------------- It's Not a Hobby It's an Obsession 150&210 Gallons of Madness and. Sanity! 801-850-4915 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65135&title=builderofdreams-feedback-post |
Posted By: bfessler
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 9:26am
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Hi Paul, Sounds like a good research project for you.  Check it out and report back. ------------- Burt An equal opportunity reefer, I support all hobbyists and organizations involved in Marine Aquarium Keeping. [email protected] |
Posted By: builderofdreams
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 9:27am
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Maybe Mark has a all natural way to keep up the corals testosterone levels. ------------- It's Not a Hobby It's an Obsession 150&210 Gallons of Madness and. Sanity! 801-850-4915 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65135&title=builderofdreams-feedback-post |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: July 02 2013 at 11:40am
Aptasia slime dip
------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |