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    Posted: October 04 2013 at 11:49pm
I wanted to use an auto top off while out on vacation for a week. I have a very small gap between the sump and the stand, that I can't really get much of a res. installed. I was thinking of getting the JBJ system setup and use a plastic storage container to hold the top off. Is this a safe thing to do? I won't have anyone to check on it, so that does have some concern to me. Also the only places I have found the JBJ ato is online. Are there an LFS that carry it?
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I use 2 floats and a junction box with a short extension cord wired in a series , 1 float is low level other is to prevent an over flow . A rubber maid tote to hold the water and a maxi jet pump . Total cost about $60 . I switch the neutral not the line side of voltage. Never had an issue when I go out of town . If you need help let me know . Kurt 801-637-6113
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Aloha,

I use a very simple and failure proof way to do top-off while on vacation, but before you go and leave the tank for a week, here is some sage advice, learned from countless hobbyists who came home to a disaster:

Ask an experienced hobbyist to come check on your tank every other day or two.

No fail vacation top-off
1. Fill a bucket with the amount of RO water you expect the tank to need and place it on a stable chair or ladder next to and above the tank or sump.
2. Secure a length of air line tubing near the bottom of the bucket(I use a stiff tube from an undergravel filter airline to extend to the bottom).
3. Lead the output end of the tubing to a secure position over the tank/sump. (large spring clamps are very secure)
4. Start the siphon and tie a knot (or use a standard plastic air valve) in the end of the tubing and adjust the knot tightness until the drops are just the right speed to keep the tank water at a constant level or slightly less. This will take some attention over a day or so to get it right.
5. Instruct the tank sitter/experienced hobbyist on how it's set up and to add more water if the drip doesn't keep up. They can also top off the top-off bucket if 5 gal of water won't last the entire vacation.

It is so very comforting to know that I have someone watching my tank that knows exactly what to watch out for and what to do if a problem arises. (Thanks Jake)

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Where is a good place to pickup the float switches?
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Float switches can fail and setting up complicated apparatus just before going on vacation is a recipe for disaster. I've seen it dozens of times and had it happen to me.
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Mark, I appreciate your advice. However, it seems to me that starting a slow drip has its issues as much as a float switch setup. The only thing that is the equalizer is having some one watch your tank. At this point I am more willing to go the route of using a float switch setup and have someone periodically check the tank. However that all depends on if I can't find someone to top it off daily for me. Utilimately I will be getting an ATO and just use a gallon jug. That will allow me to more slowly add water and additives.
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If you use a float with a gravity fed ATO, with a small sized top off container you really can't wreak havoc on your tank.  I'd use a container that, if the float failed, it was small enough not to overflow the sump.  Then you just need to get someone to add water to your top off container while you are away.
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Just thought i would chime in...

I use the JBJ ATO myself and thouht i might throw in my two cents. My current setup is a brute 20g plastic garbage can, the ATO, and a maxijet pump with some tubing. I add between 10-15g or RO water every week or so to keep the bucket 3/4 full.
 
I have had very few issues with the mechanical features of the ATO, it comes with everything you need (other than pump/bucket), and overall i think it was worth the money.
 
That being said.... i did have a few problems with my ATO, but i think most of them were dumb faults of my own. When you put your floats in the tank/sump make sure they are not in an area with lots of flow. I first put mine in the sump then for some reason i put my top off tube right next to it and the flow kept the float mechanism down....(again that was my own fault). I also had an issue with the plastic housing around the float, its very easy to push the float laterally into the plastic housing (again keeping the float in the down position).
 
I have heard of people having floats build up deposits, causing floats to not function properly but i soak mine in vinegar once a month during tank cleaning day, so i havent experienced this.
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Any top off has the potential to fail. While I've used the drip method Mark is so passionately pushing for years past, it has very limited reliability. I often had to make adjustments every couple of days. Either too much or too little water depending on the weather and rate of evaporation.. A couple of times I came home from vacation to a near disasterous low water level in our sump. When we upgrading to the 270G, I installed a gravity feed Eshopps float valve attached to a 30G drum. Water level has not fluctuated in over 1.5 yrs. as long as I remembered to fill the drum up every 6-10 days.

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This is all really good information and appreciate it. Is there a local place to get float switches or system?
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I didn't read above, but the last thing i would do is set up an auto top off before vacation. Just have someone come over. Or even chance the evaporation and let it go. But don't set up something the week you leave. Has ended badly for many people.

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I'm with Adam. Never change anything two weeks before you leave!!!

As far as Ato go, I made all of my own with parts from autotopoff.com. Easy & cheap!
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Train a helper monkey and just set some food out for the time you're gone... Or, just fine a friend to do it for you.. Nikki and Adam are very correct, something new that needs adjustment always has time to fail if you don't the have time to adjust it.
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Again, thanks for all the helpful advice. I will be setting up an ATO, but I will rely on the tried and true ... have someone physically come over and add water to the tank.
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I bought mine from Grainger. I use 2 so if it some how gets to high of a level (such as gunked up or a snail on it) the second one will turn it off. Also my water tote I never fill more than my sump could hold if it did happen to pump all the water into the sump. Not sure what Eric sells but the ones at Grainger have a clip to remove the float from the shaft they slide on and if you flip the float over it changes the contacts from a normally open to a normally closed or vice versa. So my low level is a normally closed and high level is a normally closed also .
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Float switches can fail and setting up complicated apparatus just before going on vacation is a recipe for disaster. I've seen it dozens of times and had it happen to me.
Me too.
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