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So maybe a newbie question but was just curious what the difference is between a 420nm bulb vs a 460nm bulb? Does one offer more growth for your corals? Thanks
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A 420nm bulb is a true actinic bulb and features light found predominately in the violet range.

A 460nm bulb is a blue bulb. It features light found in the blue wavelengths.

420 bulbs tend to have low PAR and provide little growth characteristics. 460 bulbs tend to have a lot of PAR and are great bulbs to use.

Are we talking power compact, T5HO or T12 VHO? I ask because different brands of bulbs are better than others.
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So a 420 really isn't 'good' to have it just makes the tank look nice?  If I put a PC with both 420 and 460 would I get good growth?

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420 pops certain colors very well. 460 bulbs pop greens and oranges very nicely. Plus 460 bulbs have a lot of actinic in them as is.

IMO, for good growth you need a few things. First you need the full spectrum of lighting and second good water quality. I shift my tanks more towards the blue end of the spectrum and still see great growth!
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420 is more for a freshwater aquarium as it uses more red spectrum than the blue that why it looks pinkish
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Originally posted by SGH360 SGH360 wrote:

420 is more for a freshwater aquarium as it uses more red spectrum than the blue that why it looks pinkish


Actually you won't find really any freshwater people using 420 bulbs. Actinic lighting does nothing for plants.

There is next to zero red spectrum found in true 420 bulbs.

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whoops my mistake thx for correcting me
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I like the idea of a fuller spectrum but where I have a small aquarium, its a 12 gallon eclipse I am limited on space.  The hood I have can only hold one 13 watt PC and I found a site that sells what I hope is the correct bulb but they only offer a "White/White" and a "Blue/Blue".  The maker of the hood offers a bulb but it only puts off 5500 K.  The lights I orderd claim to put off in the white 10,000 K and the blue claims 420/460.  I orderd both so I can try the out.  Which should I use?
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Thanks for the info. So have done some searching but so far been unable to turn up a chart or anything like that has all the different color temps and the main color they will put off. Anybody have anything like that or somewhere I can look? Hope this makes sense basically looking for something that says a 20,000K bulb will put off more ....... a 10,000k bulb will put off more ......... Hopefully that helps. Thanks
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Also to answer the first question was asking for T-5's but I am also running MH's too.
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Originally posted by Lewy Lewy wrote:

I like the idea of a fuller spectrum but where I have a small aquarium, its a 12 gallon eclipse I am limited on space.  The hood I have can only hold one 13 watt PC and I found a site that sells what I hope is the correct bulb but they only offer a "White/White" and a "Blue/Blue".  The maker of the hood offers a bulb but it only puts off 5500 K.  The lights I orderd claim to put off in the white 10,000 K and the blue claims 420/460.  I orderd both so I can try the out.  Which should I use?
Too late but there are two manufacturers that make better color popping PC tubes. The growth is good too. Helios, available at Fish4U (special order from local supplier Blue Sky Pet Supply which has all sizes, 9W to 96W, currently in stock) and UV Lighting, available at Reefgeek.com

Begging your forgiveness, but a 13 W PC is not much light. It will not offer much in the way of growth and only a little in the way of illumination. If it were me, I'd modify it to take a larger PC tube or put the tank in the window to capture the enormous power of sunlight.

Below is what the tube I was speaking of looks like in action. This was a Helios UltraGrow 36W PC. I would have liked it a little more blue but back then UV Lighting had not yet made its group of color popping PC tubes.



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Originally posted by swiftra swiftra wrote:

So maybe a newbie question but was just curious what the difference is between a 420nm bulb vs a 460nm bulb? Does one offer more growth for your corals? Thanks
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The light spectrum changes as it descends through the water. The 400-500 nm (ultraviolet-blue) range of light reaches deeper than the light on the red end of the spectrum.
The coral and algae we keep come from shallow to deep water. This makes things a little difficult when it comes to what light is needed for growth vs. what light shows off the colors.
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Mark, you don't need to beg for forgiveness.  I totally agree I don't have much light.  I actually have the small tank in my kitchen where it gets quite a bit of natural sun light.  Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it.
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The last couple of weeks the right side of my tank was getting hit with sunlight for about an hour each evening and I noticed a surprising amount of growth difference on that side. I know that sounds like a duh type situation but seeing it happen is something else. 
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