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dkle 
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 Posted: October 11 2007 at 9:19pm |
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It looks pretty normal when I was there. Maybe you should come back in the weekend and take a look again.
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If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs!
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 7:01am |
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I have paid 45 to 100 bucks for Indo Elegance corals. The Australian Elegance start around 75 or 80 plus shipping for small frags and go up to around 150 or higher plus shipping for larger ones. If you ask me, the Australian Elegance corals are well worth the higher price.
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 10:14am |
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Do you have any sites that sell Australian elegances that you have bought?
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 5:16pm |
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How do you recognize an Australian elegance anyway? Or do you just take the vendors' word for it?
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Posted: October 14 2007 at 12:12pm |
After three days with the lights off and it constantly inflating and deflating the coral finally dissolved. I am going to take it out and probably replace the majority of the water in the 26 gallon tank. Hopefully this has been a useful thread to everyone following along. The next elegance coral I get will either be Australian or one that has been doing well under metal halides. If anyone sees one of these in a LFS I would appreciate a PM.
Thanks for all the help Elegance Coral I think we tried our best but it was just too late. Two hours of Metal Halides did the coral in, when it was already in a weekend state from transport. I have no doubt it was from the light and the brown jelly infection that Borneman talks about is just from its' weekend state. And Darrell feel free to use any of my pictures on your site for further education.
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Mike Savage
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Posted: October 14 2007 at 1:35pm |
I'm sorry to hear you lost the Elegance coral Cody. I too am appreciative to elegancecoral and I leared a lot about these corals.
Mike
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:36pm |
Thanks everybody  . Not everyone is pleased with what I'm doing, so its nice to hear when people appreciate the work I'm doing.
I'm sorry to hear about your Elegance. I really was hoping you would be able to pull it through. Sometimes there is simply nothing we can do. Thanks for letting me use your photos. I have quite a few people donating me pics, but they are all healthy Elegance corals. I need pics of sick corals. I'm pretty sure you will be seeing your Elegance on my site. I will give you credit for the photo if you want me to.
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:50pm |
I bet its tough with Borneman thinking its just some sort of disease and not that they have been collected at deep deaths and our high intensity lights are killing the corals. I'm curious have you tried talking to Borneman about this?
One other thing, do you have a links to any sites that sell Australian Elegance frags?
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 1:42pm |
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Sorry for your loss Cody. This has been a very informative thread...thanks for starting it and thanks to elegancecoral for your work!
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 4:31pm |
 Cody Pearce wrote:
I bet its tough with Borneman thinking its just some sort of disease and not that they have been collected at deep deaths and our high intensity lights are killing the corals. I'm curious have you tried talking to Borneman about this?
One other thing, do you have a links to any sites that sell Australian Elegance frags? |
I have been on virtually every site out there talking about Elegance corals. I only had a problem on one site, and after the problems started Borenman posted this.
"First, there are two publications on the collection locales of C. jardinei
1. Bruckner, AW and Borneman EH 2006. Developing a sustainable harvest regime for Indonesia’s stony coral fishery with application to other coral exporting countries. Proc 10ICRS, Okinawa.
2. Bruckner, AW. 2002. Proceedings of the International Workshop on the Trade in Stony Corals; Development of Sustainable Management Guidelines. NOAA Technical Memorandum NMFS-OPR-23, Silver Spring, MD 152pp.
The second is the complete work with surveys in Catalaphyllia collection areas. This was also supplemented by a TRAFFIC report with Carolyn Raymakers a year later. These findings also contrast with the natural location within its range in areas where collection does not occur. Second, I have never suggested a protozoan was involved and I have done the histology on 79 diseased aquarium corals, all of which are available at the International registry for coral pathology if anyone wants to confirm my findings.
There are two consistent intracellular microbes in diseased corals, resulting in granulations of nematocysts, invasion of zooxanthellae and disruption of cellular architecture contingent on the degree of infection. Ciliates are found externally and invading highly degraded tissue, but this is likely a secondary opportunist as the tissue degenerates. Numerous samples have fungal hyphae penetrating the calicoblastic epithelium that could act as a portal of entry. The isolation of the acidophilic bacterial aggregates and the small rod shaped microbes affecting zooxanthellae will require sequencing and I need collaboration and money in order to do that, and that will not likely happen as funding for aquarium related disease is not falling off trees. Our surveys of wild populations and the incidence and prevalence data gained from field surveys, exporters, wholesalers and retailers as well as infection studies suggests a highly contagious species-speciifc condition that is probably rare in the wild but in closed systems has exacerbated effects. One of the 796 microscopy images I have taken to date showing this condition in the tissues is attached."
I replied asking how he was able to determine that the microbes resulted in the damage to the cellular architecture. I believe that the damage to the cellular architecture is caused by the over exposure to light. Which is common in corals that have bleached. I believe the microbes are opportunistic feeding on a damaged coral. I also posted that I had read everything I can find regarding wild populations, exporters, wholesalers, and retailers and all I can determine from this information is that there is no proof of this problem existing until the coral is collected. I asked what part of this information led him to his conclusion. He chose not to reply to my questions and the thread was eventually closed.
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 4:55pm |
It was fairly obvious that mine was fine until the over exposure of light. I definetly agree with you Elegancecoral, but unfortunately most people support Borneman. I don't know how to go around that.
Here's probably the last picture.
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Posted: October 15 2007 at 10:00pm |
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 8:40am |
here is an Australian Elegance it is pricey and smaller than the one you got but wow it is beutiful.
4th row 4th picture
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 10:33am |
That is beautiful and PRICEY!
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 10:42am |
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The Diver's Den usually carries Aussie Elegance corals for about the same price. They just sold several for $149. They don't have any right now, but you can sign up and they will send you an email every time they update the list. They are usually 4 or 5 inches and they guarantee them for 14 days.
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 11:02am |
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Hay Cody, you never told me if you want credit for the photos if I use them on my site. Some people don't want credit for pic's of sick corals, so it's up to you. Thanks again.
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Posted: October 16 2007 at 1:53pm |
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Sure you can credit me.
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