Elegance Coral
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Topic: Elegance Coral
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Subject: Elegance Coral
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 4:05pm
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I couldnt resist the beautiful elegance coral at Urban Aquatics this weekend, but I have been struggling with it since I've brought it home. I've been posting on reefcentral trying to get some help from the expert guy there. If anyone else has some input I would appreciate it.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1218501 - Thread Thanks, Cody ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 4:57pm
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How have you been struggling? I know Dion has been successfull with these.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 5:58pm
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Take a look at the reefcentral thread. It has pics of how I cannot get the elegance to open up. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 9:42pm
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Lower light, Lower flow, light skimming. Elegances do much better with a "dirty" tank. From my experience. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 11:33am
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What do you mean by "dirty" tank? Do you mean high nutrients, such as feeding often? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 11:47am
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Cody, you can also give Todd at Urban Aquatics a call. He helped us quite a bit with our elegance. ------------- Yes Mikey...I still have fins!!! |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:28pm
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It has been argued that our tanks are cleaner than what an elegance coral likes. We skim out too much. Hence they seem to like a dirtier tank.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 3:11pm
This is a very tough argument for both sides seeing as there is no scientfic proof. I've seen many corals that are said to prefer a "dirty tank", sun polyps for example, but really just prefer to be target fed with high water quality. IMO, it becomes better to have a more efficient filitration system and add the nutrients in and skim the extras so as to prevent the break down of wastes. Then again maybe it is the "wastes" that certain corals desire. I don't think I would do less filitration on my tanks until I had scientific proof. Anyone else have ideas on this or if I'm wrong? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Mike Savage wrote:Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 3:17pm
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I think you are right. I wouldn't want a dirtier tank just to please one coral.
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Posted By: reptoreef
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 3:35pm
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I kept my elegance in my well filtered tank with great success. I did target feed with silversides on a regular basis(every 3 days or so).
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 4:11pm
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I had a 65 with tons of coral. (non sps) I skimmed VERY lightly and with low light. 440w. and my elegance and Gorgonian did remarkably well. Moved all of them into my 125 that had high light 965w and high flow- in comparison- ans high skimmer. (G1 baby vs G3) and the Gorgonian did OK but the elegance floundered. I had the elegance in that 65 for almost 2 years. Question I would ask is this. What do you consider dirty? Many on this board run with out any skimmers at all and have awesome tanks. Others have very elaborate filtration systems and have awesome tanks. (however they seam to add much more supplements than the more "dirty " tanks)
I personally have quit being so anal about having the clearest most drinkable water in my tanks. I do skim a lot on both systems but I don't change my filter socks every week. Crud sometimes they over run for a couple of weeks. I do a water change once a month or so and my tanks are doing better than when it was clean socks every couple of days and water changes every week to 2 weeks.
Keep in mind all of the floating feed that is in constant contact with our corals in the wild. I don't care to have my water with that much floaties but some is definitely good.
I did here some conversations not long ago that suggested that we are over skimming and over cleaning the water in our tanks. There are certain "coral experts" that are looking at this. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 4:48pm
Well now that I think about it, most of my info I would rather have from experienced hobbiests. The whole elegance coral theory is not one of my favorites. Take a look at this pic and see if you have any ideas. Tank temp is at 76F.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 4:51pm
If you can or else I'll try and catch him at the meeting, tell him to take a look at this thread and the reefcentral link. I think you can get a much better understanding from the pics and tank info. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 4:57pm
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Dion, What is a Gregorian?
Oh, and "defiantly" good?
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 5:23pm
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Geezzzzz, I work so hard at keeping the "spelling police " off of my back.
Fixed it just for you Mike.  ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 5:56pm
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Thanks Dion but they were "spelled" correctly!
Mike ------------- |
Posted By: superman1981
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 5:58pm
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Not that I know anything (my disclaimer) but I don't run a skimmer, just a good ol'HOB filter. My tank is only a 29, it is overstocked, I'll be honest, and I only do water changes about once a month these days.... Now I know a lot of you probably think I'm crazy, but since I've cut back on water changes my corals have started doing way better, and my fish seem more active (although they're still bumping into each other)... So from my experience, all one year of it, I'm not convinced that weekly water changes are that beneficial... I do plan on using a skimmer on my next tank, but I don't think I'm going to skim real heavy. I think all the random floaty crap in the tank is good for corals... Just my two, uneducated, cents...
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 11:55pm
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Grasshopper, You learn wisely. I agree with what your saying Tim. My 125 always looked wrong after the weekly water changes. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:10am
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Tim,
I think that was at least a nickle's worth.
Mike ------------- |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:52am
Before you bought it did you see it with fully expanded tentacles? Like this?
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Posted By: shaggydoo
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 1:29am
Tim you are correct to say that no skimmer is the best skimmer, but to say that your tank looks worse after water changes.... that is just nuts!!! What are you changing your water with? Acid? I also think floaties in the water is food for my corals/fish since my fish eat everything in sight including bubbles. Still I think you are all crazy and wrong. There is obviously only one way to keep a succesful tank and that is my way . No skimmer and lots of fish combined with bi-monthly (monthly if you are feeling lazy) water changes. Did I mention that you have to have t5 too? Cause you do!------------- 60g LPS Cube |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 8:49am
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Dion: No, it was mainly closed up when I bought it. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: superman1981
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 10:15am
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Hey Aaron, you'll be happy to know that I'm currently in the process of purchasing parts for my upcoming 90, and I have been pricing out T5's Although I do think I'm going to run a skimmer... Are you running a UV on your tank?
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Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 10:27am
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I did see that elegance open once at todds store....but from the picture you got of it, it looks better in your tank already......I have seen a few that don't have as long of tenticles as others.....
you may just try moving it to a different spot in the tank.....maybe less light/flow....maybe more light/flow.... but the polyp/mouth looked open in that picture....when that coral came in, it looked like a clam with its mouth shut......so again I say it looks alot better in your tank than it did at todds store.. ------------- http://www.highendcorals.com/"> 
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 11:07am
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That was what I was wondering. If it was a long tentacle or short? ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: dano
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 5:25pm
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Looks to me like it's reaching and expanding surface area for light. I used to have one that did the same thing, and my open brain (similar morphology) blows up like that when it's not getting the modest light it needs. Just a thought. ------------- I have nothing interesting to say down here |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 1:15pm
Updated pic
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 1:39pm
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I think its a short tentacle elegance. With that in mind its my opinion that it looks good. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 1:54pm
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Do you have a picture of another short tentacle elegance? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 9:26am
In the first pic it looks irritated to me. And now, with that new pic, I see Protopalythoa and mushrooms next to it. Frankly, it is bothered by it's surroundings. If you aren't running some AC you ought to. And move it at least 3 inches, preferably 6 inches away from all other coral. It wants to expand but cannot because of the stronger stinging coral around it. When it starts enjoying it's surroundings, you may even discover that it has longer tentacles. I wouldn't worry about feeding it too much at this point. It's too bothered to grow so it needs little food.
 For those that change water more than monthly I will say again as I have said so many times, you either don't have enough biological filtration or the tank is overstocked with fish. Most young tanks (less than a year old) have not grown enough biological filtration, thus requiring more frequent water changes to alleviate the pollution caused by overstocking. Well lighted Macroalgae helps considerably in this regard."scientific proof"
Thats funny. Each coral is an individual, or rather a colony of individuals with it's own needs and preferences. Relating this to people, what would happen if you developed relationships only according to scientific evidence? We must be open to what each coral needs and be willing to explore all alternatives, which unfortunately may include not keeping some types of coral because our tanks environment and tankmates cannot give them what they need.I hope this is making sense.  ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 12:00pm
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I have been running lots of fresh AC. I'll probably go and change it out again today. As far as being bothered by tank mates I'm thinking my coral banded might be the one making it upset and not the mushrooms/palys. I could be wrong and I'll try and move it better so as to not be anywhere near other corals.
I definetly agree that all corals need their own special attention, but there are certain specifics that many of the same species will have. Just like we learned that clams prefer metal halides, yet can survive with much less. You are just taking a chance if you don't have the high lighting.
Here are some new pics as of today.
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 6:47pm
I understand if some people don't believe that the problems with Elegance corals are associated with light. There are many professionals that believe the cause of the problem is a parasitic organism. There is no known cure for this unknown pathogen. Hypothetically speaking, if they are correct there is nothing you can do for your Elegance once it begins to show these symptoms. The swollen polyp and shrunken tentacles would be a sign that your coral has the dreaded pathogen and will die. Even if one believes this to be true there would be no harm done by reducing the light on a coral that is doomed.
It has been a theory for many years that there are two different types or species of Elegance coral. A long tentacled Elegance with a very powerful sting and a short tentacled Elegance with a week sting. There is only one species of Elegance. The size and shape of their tentacles depends on their health and environment. Venom is very biologically expensive to produce. If an Elegance becomes ill or short on resources one of the first areas that will be affected is the power of their sting or amount of venom it produces. I can take any Elegance (providing it is healthy enough to survive) and turn it into an Elegance with long tentacles and a very powerful sting. I know these are terrible pic's, but they are of the same coral taken about 6 months apart. The first larger pic shows how short and stubby the tentacles were. The second pic shows that the tentacles are about twice as long. They are even longer today.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 7:05pm
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Welcome elegancecoral!
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 7:49pm
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Hi Darrell, So is it lost or not. If short tentacles are a sign of having this problem then how can you "fix" it? I'm really interested in how you've done this? ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 10:06pm
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I'm using my reef tour plastic sign, so as to block all the light coming directly perpendicular to the elegance. Here are the pics after having lights on for 7hours.
Not the best of pics, but the coral definetly looks much better. If the coral swells up during the night again I'm going to remove the coral banded shrimp to see if that is pestering it to influence some of the swelling.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 11:03pm
That IS looking a lot better.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 07 2007 at 11:05pm
I still got my fingers crossed. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 7:56am
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Thanks Mike.
Cody, That slime on your Elegance with the detritus in it may need to be removed. A gentle wave of your hand over the coral is enough to remove it. If it is left alone it can choke the coral off from the surrounding water and add to its problems. It will most likely be back the next morning, though. Every morning for the next few days to a week the coral will have this slime on it. If it is removed every morning and the lighting is no longer causing problems the coral will stop producing this slim and begin the long healing process.
Holdencraft33, I wouldn't say that his coral is lost. It is in very bad shape and will be very sensitive for a long time to come. The Elegance I posted pictures of here went through the same thing that Cody's Elegance is going through. I didn't expect Cody to put the effort he has into saving this coral. If he keeps going the way he is he may just pull this coral through. I will get to your other question later today.
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 9:34am
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Thanks Darrell,
I'm very interested in your thoughts and experiences. The track record with these coals is so sad that it would be nice to have another avenue to pursue in the care and long term survival of them. ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 9:50am
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Thanks Darrell,
I pretty sure the coral would have been long gone by now without your help. This morning there was no swelling and actually had reduced in size from the pic above. I'll remove the detrius/slime stuff when I get home tonight or call my wife and have her do it. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 7:12pm
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My website is up and running, finally. http://www.elegancecoral.org - www.elegancecoral.org I just added the forum last night. My goal is to have all the information someone would need to care for these corals on this site.
To answer your question in the short version, light is the cause of all the problems. The problems don't stop there however. There is a pattern of symptoms that these corals go through. These Indo Pacific Elegance corals are coming from very deep dark waters. When exposed to light that is to bright (witch doesn't take much) they will swell up and withdraw their tentacles. I believe that as this takes place the cell walls within the coral are being destroyed. This is the same tissue damage we find in corals that have bleached. After suffering this damage their ability to fight off infection is greatly reduced. Their cell walls have been compromised leaving them open to attack from a wide range of organisms. This is where the pathogen, protozoan, or disease theory came from. It has been assumed that the over inflated oral disk and shrunken tentacles was a result of these organisms. This is not the case. If a coral showing these symptoms is removed from the light that is causing them, in time, the coral will survive. If the exposure is to intense or to long the cellular damage will be to severe for the coral to overcome and infection will set in. The over inflated oral disk and shrunken tentacles is not contagious. I have mixed these corals with healthy and/or weakened Elegance corals many times and never had a reaction from the other corals in the tank. The infection that fallows can be contagious, as any infection in a closed system can be contagious.
And that was the short version. So if you want a healthy Elegance it may be worth the money to buy an Australian Elegance. There is no need to dive to greater depths to collect them there. These corals are just as hardy as the Elegance corals we were getting 20 years ago, even though they are coming in through some of the same wholesalers and retailers that sell the Indo Pacific corals.
This is a video of a swollen Elegance with its tentacles withdrawn in the same tank with 9 other Elegance corals. Some of these corals are very healthy and others are in different stages of this problem. The other corals in the tank did not begin to swell because this one was in the tank.
http://www.sharkle.com/video/137873/ - http://www.sharkle.com/video/137873/
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 9:20pm
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It looked normal when I left this morning, but for some reason when my wife got up it had swollen somewhat again. She still turned on the lights for a couple hours with no change and when she called me I had her turn them off. I just barely turned the lights back on (still with the plastic covering of course) and here is the pic. Any thoughts on why it would swell like this again? Is it still getting too much light?  ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 9:40pm
Here's an idea of the light it is getting
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 7:31am
| If you look at the brown color of this coral you will notice that it is very dark. This is due to the vast population of zooxanthellae in its tissues. A population this dense can overload the corals tissues with O2 very easily during photosynthesis. This O2 does not dissipate the moment the lights go off. There has been research that shows it can take many hours for the O2 levels to drop back down to safe levels. I believe that what we see with many of these corals like yours is that the O2 climbs to damaging levels during the day. When the lights go out the O2 levels begin to drop. By the time the lights come back on in the morning the coral is usually no longer swollen and seems to be improving. The O2 level has dropped below the damaging level, but is still quite high. This slightly elevated O2 in the morning combined with the high population of algae in its tissues can push the levels back up very easily. I have had some success by keeping corals like this in the dark for 24 hours to give the O2 levels more time to drop back down to normal levels. Even after this we still have the large population of algae to deal with, so they are still very sensitive to light. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 9:20am
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deep dark waters?
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:46am
Those days are over for the collection sights in the Indo Pacific. There aren't enough Elegance corals left in the grass flats to collect. After decades of over collecting they have been forced to dive to much greater depths to find them. At one point all of our Elegance corals were coming from these grass flats because they were very easy to find and collect. Elegance corals live in a variety of environments. They are just harder to collect in other areas.
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Posted By: TriggerHappy
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 1:12pm
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Wow, this is very interesting. In the past I've given up on keeping an elegance since I had no success keeping them alive. This gives me hope of perhaps getting one in the future. Thanks to Cody and to elegancecoral!
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 7:28pm
You are very welcome. Don't get me wrong though. These Indo pacific corals can be very sensitive and hard to keep. I don't want people to think I'm trying to say that they are easy to keep. I don't have a magic pill that makes all the Elegance corals better, I wish I did. Many of these corals can be saved if the right steps are taken, though.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 9:17pm
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Honestly what should really happen is to have an organization take all indo-pacific elegances and accilimate them to aquarium life before they are sent off to the aquarium trade. Just my opinion after what I've been going through.
Here's the newest pic
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 7:29am
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I wish they would at least change the way they collect and house these corals before shipping them. I talked with a lady that was on a collection expedition, and she stated that the Elegance corals would be showing the swollen polyp and shrunken tentacles by the time they made it to the boat. Many of these holding tanks are only inches deep and lit by natural sun light on docks. The damage to these corals starts long before we get them. If they would keep them shaded during the collection and holding process at least they would be healthy when we got them and they would be much easier to care for. Hopefully your coral will stop swelling now. I would expect it to withdraw. As long as you keep the slime removed in the mornings you may be able to keep if from becoming infected. Its tissues have been damaged and this can lead to infection. As long as infection does not set in the coral will pull through this. It is a long healing process though. It may have taken years for the coral to grow the tissue it has lost. |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 10:02pm
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I'm just curious as to who in the club has an elegance in one of their tanks atm? Also has anyone seen some healthy ones in any of our pet stores? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 10:36pm
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Mountain Shadow Marine does stock these from time to time. The ones that I saw looked pretty healthy.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:53am
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I've seen them at Mountain Shadow too. They must get the Australian ones. Do they have any now? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:04pm
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I just stopped by. They have one (75 or 85 bucks).
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Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:22pm
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:31pm
Well worth it compared to the one I got  .------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:31pm
So normally they would go for less? I wasn't gonna buy it; but I was thinking that was a reasonable price. ------------- If you can't bedazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bs! Dinhkim Le - Procrastinator extra-ordinare |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 5:38pm
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The deep water one I got was 42, but probably won't survive. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Dion Richins
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 6:26pm
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The last one I got was from Mountain Shadow and it was $49. (mind you it was 2 years ago.) ------------- http://www.customaquariumfurniture.com" rel="nofollow - Bad "censored" Cabinets Best quality in the valley! He is one sexy bald guy, even with out a finger!(MAC) |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 8:21pm
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I just went there to look at it. It's an indo-pacific and was under fairly low light. It was all shriveled up when I got there and the guy said it was because he was cleaning the tanks. He said they had had it for over a month. How did it look when you were there Dinhkim? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 9:19pm
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It looks pretty normal when I was there. Maybe you should come back in the weekend and take a look again.
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Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 7:01am
| I have paid 45 to 100 bucks for Indo Elegance corals. The Australian Elegance start around 75 or 80 plus shipping for small frags and go up to around 150 or higher plus shipping for larger ones. If you ask me, the Australian Elegance corals are well worth the higher price. |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 10:14am
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Do you have any sites that sell Australian elegances that you have bought? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: dkle
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 5:16pm
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How do you recognize an Australian elegance anyway? Or do you just take the vendors' word for it?
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 12:12pm
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After three days with the lights off and it constantly inflating and deflating the coral finally dissolved. I am going to take it out and probably replace the majority of the water in the 26 gallon tank. Hopefully this has been a useful thread to everyone following along. The next elegance coral I get will either be Australian or one that has been doing well under metal halides. If anyone sees one of these in a LFS I would appreciate a PM. Thanks for all the help Elegance Coral I think we tried our best but it was just too late. Two hours of Metal Halides did the coral in, when it was already in a weekend state from transport. I have no doubt it was from the light and the brown jelly infection that Borneman talks about is just from its' weekend state. And Darrell feel free to use any of my pictures on your site for further education. Cheers,
Cody Pearce ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 14 2007 at 1:35pm
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I'm sorry to hear you lost the Elegance coral Cody. I too am appreciative to elegancecoral and I leared a lot about these corals.
Mike ------------- |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:36pm
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Thanks everybody. Not everyone is pleased with what I'm doing, so its nice to hear when people appreciate the work I'm doing.
I'm sorry to hear about your Elegance. I really was hoping you would be able to pull it through. Sometimes there is simply nothing we can do. Thanks for letting me use your photos. I have quite a few people donating me pics, but they are all healthy Elegance corals. I need pics of sick corals. I'm pretty sure you will be seeing your Elegance on my site. I will give you credit for the photo if you want me to.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:50pm
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I bet its tough with Borneman thinking its just some sort of disease and not that they have been collected at deep deaths and our high intensity lights are killing the corals. I'm curious have you tried talking to Borneman about this?
One other thing, do you have a links to any sites that sell Australian Elegance frags? ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: TriggerHappy
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 1:42pm
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Sorry for your loss Cody. This has been a very informative thread...thanks for starting it and thanks to elegancecoral for your work!
------------- 210 gallon Mixed Reef |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 4:31pm
I have been on virtually every site out there talking about Elegance corals. I only had a problem on one site, and after the problems started Borenman posted this.
"First, there are two publications on the collection locales of C. jardinei
1. Bruckner, AW and Borneman EH 2006. Developing a sustainable harvest regime for Indonesia�s stony coral fishery with application to other coral exporting countries. Proc 10ICRS, Okinawa. 2. Bruckner, AW. 2002. Proceedings of the International Workshop on the Trade in Stony Corals; Development of Sustainable Management Guidelines. NOAA Technical Memorandum NMFS-OPR-23, Silver Spring, MD 152pp. The second is the complete work with surveys in Catalaphyllia collection areas. This was also supplemented by a TRAFFIC report with Carolyn Raymakers a year later. These findings also contrast with the natural location within its range in areas where collection does not occur. Second, I have never suggested a protozoan was involved and I have done the histology on 79 diseased aquarium corals, all of which are available at the International registry for coral pathology if anyone wants to confirm my findings. There are two consistent intracellular microbes in diseased corals, resulting in granulations of nematocysts, invasion of zooxanthellae and disruption of cellular architecture contingent on the degree of infection. Ciliates are found externally and invading highly degraded tissue, but this is likely a secondary opportunist as the tissue degenerates. Numerous samples have fungal hyphae penetrating the calicoblastic epithelium that could act as a portal of entry. The isolation of the acidophilic bacterial aggregates and the small rod shaped microbes affecting zooxanthellae will require sequencing and I need collaboration and money in order to do that, and that will not likely happen as funding for aquarium related disease is not falling off trees. Our surveys of wild populations and the incidence and prevalence data gained from field surveys, exporters, wholesalers and retailers as well as infection studies suggests a highly contagious species-speciifc condition that is probably rare in the wild but in closed systems has exacerbated effects. One of the 796 microscopy images I have taken to date showing this condition in the tissues is attached." I replied asking how he was able to determine that the microbes resulted in the damage to the cellular architecture. I believe that the damage to the cellular architecture is caused by the over exposure to light. Which is common in corals that have bleached. I believe the microbes are opportunistic feeding on a damaged coral. I also posted that I had read everything I can find regarding wild populations, exporters, wholesalers, and retailers and all I can determine from this information is that there is no proof of this problem existing until the coral is collected. I asked what part of this information led him to his conclusion. He chose not to reply to my questions and the thread was eventually closed.
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Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 4:55pm
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It was fairly obvious that mine was fine until the over exposure of light. I definetly agree with you Elegancecoral, but unfortunately most people support Borneman. I don't know how to go around that. Here's probably the last picture.
 ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |
Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 15 2007 at 10:00pm
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Oh, man that's sad.
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Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 8:40am
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here is an Australian Elegance it is pricey and smaller than the one you got but wow it is beutiful.
http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/LPSofties1.html - http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/LPSofties1.html
4th row 4th picture
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 10:33am
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That is beautiful and PRICEY!
Mike ------------- |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 10:42am
| The Diver's Den usually carries Aussie Elegance corals for about the same price. They just sold several for $149. They don't have any right now, but you can sign up and they will send you an email every time they update the list. They are usually 4 or 5 inches and they guarantee them for 14 days. |
Posted By: elegancecoral
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 11:02am
| Hay Cody, you never told me if you want credit for the photos if I use them on my site. Some people don't want credit for pic's of sick corals, so it's up to you. Thanks again. |
Posted By: Cody Pearce
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 1:53pm
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Sure you can credit me. ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef My fish swim naked. |