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    Posted: May 22 2004 at 12:16pm

Sometime during the night last night something chipped up a lot of the coraline algae on my rocks.  What kind of animal does this?

I recently added to my tank: Astrea snails, Redfoot snails, Mexican Turbo snails, Lettuce nudibranchs, and Emerald crabs.  Most of these have been in the tank before.  Only the Mexicans and the Red Foots (Red Feet! ) have never been in the tank before.

I spent hours last night showing off my tank to friends and looking closely at it so I know that this "chipping" has happend just overnight.  Many of my rocks have little white spots now where it is obvious the coraline has been eaten or chipped off.

Also I would like to mention that I highly recommend a couple of Mexican Turbo snails like the ones Mark had for sale.  In each of my tanks I have a green ugly stripe of algae on the glass just above the substrate.  I find it difficult to clean off because I don't want to get my magnet scrubber down in the substrate.  (Another employee decided to help me out at the office while I was gone and did just that.  Now I have horrible scratches all over the front of the tank where they continued cleaning with the magnet after it picked up some substrate.)  After putting several of these snails in my tank last night that ugly green stripe is almost gone.  They are still working on it now and it probably will be gone by the end of the day.  No other snails have never been interested in doing this job.

I suppose these guys are going to want a raise now.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reptoreef Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2004 at 2:54pm

Got any urchins or sally lightfoots? Could be the emeralds chipping the coralline trying to get any algaes off of it. I think that turbo snails are a great benefit, also.

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No Urchins or Sally Lightfoots.  Maybe it is the emeralds, but they have never done it before.

Oh well, I suppose it will grow back as long as they don't keep doing it all the time.

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Before I read these posts, when I read the title I was thinking undoubtedly an urchin.  But, since you don't have one, I would say red legged hermits.  But then you didn't say you had any, so my third guess (and it only a guess) is the emeralds. 

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Emeralds will pull up the coraline as they eat the soft algaes that grow on the rock.  Does it look like scratch marks?  That's what it looks like when my emeralds scrape at the rock.

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My guess is that it's at least one of your emerald crabs. I had an emerald crab that used to always chip off my coraline algae. I would spot feed him with lots of other food (brine shrimp, algae tabs, etc.), but he loved coraline algae best. In certain spots, he would chip the rock bare, but it always grew back and I think the chipping actually helped it to spread around my tank.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Will Spencer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 22 2004 at 4:26pm

Adam, I have plenty of hermits in the tank and I wouldn't be surprised at all if I found a red leg or two occasionally.  Unless of course they were from Cincinnati.  Then I would be very surprised.  (Man, I really gotta stop.  I must feel really corny today.)

Jfinch, it doesn't look so much like scratches.  It's looks more like someone took one rock and chipped at another knocking little pieces of coraline off it.  However, it still wouldn't surprise me terribly to find out that it is one of the Emerald Crabs.

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Will, yesterday I saw one of my hermit crabs picking apart one of the empty shells in my tank.  I put extra shells in so that they can "move" whenever they want to.  Anyway, he was eating the shell.  He ate a much larger piece of it than I would have imagined.  Maybe he needed the calcium?  But my calcium is at 400.  So I wonder if your crabs are doing sort of the same type of thing.  Interesting!

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Since were talking about emerald crabs, has anyone seen their emerald actually eat bubble algea and if so do they keep it in check? I was told they may eat it but mine has never even touched the stuff. Just wondering.

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Naso Tangs are great with Bubble Algae, but eat it up so fast that they need to have additional food, like Nori, when the Valonia is all gone.

Hermits do eat Coralline Algae if it tastes better than the other algae. A former member's tank had a kind of softer better tasting Coralline and couldn't keep hermits because of that. And sometimes a batch of hermit crabs may not touch hair algae because there is a better food, including food added by the hobbyist, and/or dieing snails. Some Emerald Crabs like Coralline and some don't.

Snails (and plenty of them) are the most important herbivore for controlling algae so that it never gets out of control, but if it is already out of control then more serious measures are needed. See a current thread called "How to eliminate bad algae." for more info.

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Originally posted by Kevin Kevin wrote:

Since were talking about emerald crabs, has anyone seen their emerald actually eat bubble algea and if so do they keep it in check? I was told they may eat it but mine has never even touched the stuff. Just wondering.

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I had heard that emerald crabs ate bubble algae, so I got a couple of them.  I never saw them eat the bubble algae...but...I think they found it after a week or so, because the algae disappeared. 

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I've never had bubble algae in my tank, but I've also always kept at least 1 emerald so maybe they take care of it before I see it.  I think Emeralds are fun to watch in general.  The other day my largest one was dancing across the front of the tank.  It was actually kind of funny to watch.

Also, the Mexicans have completely cleaned the green stripe at the front bottom of my tank.  They are definately hard workers.



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Will, If the large Mexican Turbo Snails are doing that good of a job, you might want to watch them and remove some or most when the job is done, otherwise thay will get so hungry that they start to live up to their reputation; moving and toppling rock and coral to get at more food.

The Mexican Margarita Snails and Astrea Snails are less likely to topple rocks.

Have you seen any Cerith Snails along the bottom edge down in the substrate?
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Just a warning on the redfoot snails, I bought one of those a few months back and then did some research on them. They live in a colder water climate than our tanks and from what I found they die over the period of a month or two. Since I had already bought mine I decided to keep it and see what would happen. Just like other people, mine became sluggish after about 3 weeks, the 4 week it didn't move around anymore and it finally died. So beware because those redfoot snails may die.
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I have noticed that 2 of my redfoot snails have been sitting attached to a rock underneath my Flower Anemone for 2 days now.  It seems they are not doing a thing.
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I have a different take on this.... I have had 4 crabs that came with my live rock from LiveRocks.com They are red with hairy legs. I saw one sitting on a peice of rock and I tried to catch it with the sunken bottle. Well, I was never able to catch it but it did keep it in one spot for most of the day. The peice he was on was crapped clean...... You could see  little dig marks in the rock... I was not happy but it was not until I saw him trying to catch my purple tang that he had to go... Now all four are gone. I would look for these crabs before I would point a finger at a hermit..... Good luck
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By redfoot, do you mean the margarita looking snails with a red foot?  I've got the blackfooted variety.  I believe Kevin is correct.  They both (along with the large mexican turbos) come from colder mexican waters.  I bought 40 blackfooted margaritas and 10 mexican turbos back in early January.  These were the margaritas that I posted about that would fall off my rock and not be able to flip over.  I lost at least half of those margaritas in the first month.  The ones that died were very lethargic and ackward (how many healthy snails fall off the glass on their own?) from the start.  Right now I have about 10 - 15 of those original margaritas left and they appear as healthy as a hog.  They don't fall and when I knock then down they flip over better then any snail I have (other then nassarius).  I wonder if the ones that died right off were in bad shape when purchased?  Pound for pound I've never had a better algae eating snail then the mexican turbos.  Mine will eat anything... green, brown, long, short, it doesn't matter.
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Mark, If these Mexcan Turbos clean up all the algae in my home tank I'll simply take them to the office.  They'll never clean that tank up all the way.  They have already started to knock things around in my home tank, but if they really become a problem, I'll glue down the smaller stuff.  I've not seen any Cerith snails on the bottom yet since they are all at my office and I haven't been there in a few days.  I may take some out and bring them home though.

Connie, does the red hairy legged crab look like the emeralds?  I wonder if they were Sally Lightfoot crabs.  They have a reputation for catching and eating fish.

John, the Redfooted snails I got have a more conchlike look to their shell.  They are longer and not just round like the Margarita's I got from Mark.  I don't have any of the Margarita's at home either so I'll see tomorrow how they are doing healthwise.  I suspect not badly since they took off in all directions and started working immediatly after I introduced them to the tank.

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