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    Posted: January 16 2004 at 8:00am
Just thought I'd share my own personal experience with a Rio pump. I had (keyword had) a Rio 2100 pump running my Skimmer. I've heard horror stories about them before, but never thought it would happen to me. 6 Months ago I replaced my Return pump with something more reliable, and I'm glad I did that. But I figured I'd use the rio to run my skimmer... Pretty harmless. Or so I thought.

My wife woke me up this morning to tell me that my tank was emmitting a foul burning smell. When I got downstairs I yanked the Rio out of the sump, and upon doing so realized that my hands were covered with oil from the pump. There was also a nice "Exxon oil slick" on top of the water in the sump.

Anyway, after a few remedial fixes (Water change and Carbon,) I think I caught things before the tank went south, but I wouldn't put another rio in my tank if someone gave it to me.

Anyone here have a similar problem with these pumps?

Also, I only had enough salt on hand to do a 5 Gallon water change, so I vacuumed out the sump and scrubbed the last remaining bit of oil residue I could find and refilled the sump with the freshly mixed saltwater. Do you think this will be enough of a water change, or should I pick up some supplies and do another big one? The fish and coral don't seem to be affected, but you never know...


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The only time I have had a rio crack the case is when they had run dry for a while.

The problem with Rios is they often don't start after a power cycle.  You sometimes have to shake them to get them to go.

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Jake, Shaking it seemed to be the case for me last night too. It was not running, so I pulled it out of the sump and cleaned it up. Then I put it back into the sump and "smacked" it once, and it fired right up. So I didn't think much about it. Then I found it burned up and leaking all over my sump in the morning.
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I had a RIO 1100 fry my 7 month old Copperband and 2 year old yellow tank. I still have two RIO's in my tank, but not for long. I purchased a squd and a large pump for a closed loop. I can't wait to get tit hooked up.
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I have the same setup on my return pump now John. I'm using a Mag 24 and a SCWD. I dig it.

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Ryan,
just out of curiosity, what size tank do you have that you're using
the mag 24 in?
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I had a Rio 2100 in my sump and It literally smoked after running dry overnight. thankfully it didnt leak any oil. right now I have a 2100 inside my main tank and its going good (knock on wood).

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It is the rio 2100's and 2500's I beleive that have been known to crack and create the oil slick and the electrifying experience if you forget to unplug them before you throw your hand in the water to see what the problem is. I had a 2100 do this. A 2500 someone gave won't start and I will never put it in a tank that actually has live animals in it.

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Yeah, I was glad that I thought to unplug the Pump before Yanking it out of the sump this morning. That would have been bad.

I'm using the Mag 24 in an 80 Gallon Tank. I had to go with a larger pump to keep the scwd oscillating correctly.

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I've also heard these things about the 2000 series Rio's. I had one that just stopped working, that's all. Those are such economical pumps. They seem to have the best power for the $$. I wonder if the reason we hear so much about them is because they have such a large market share. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the powerheads out there are Rio.
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Rio 1700 and below are cool but you get above that and it can
get pretty ugly sometimes ive also seen alot of Via Aqua
heatres Leak moisture inside eventualy shocking the tank with
a small charge thats why I run grounding probes on all my
tanks Grounding Probes wont help get the nasty electrically
burnt plastic epoxy stuff out but it will get the electricity out

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I have had 2 of the smaller rio pumps last only about a year and then lock up. I am not that impressed with them

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I have two Rio's running my little tank.  They work now but I will probably replace them in the future.
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All Rio`s have to routinly be cleaned out and kicked started
when unplugged but thats all very minor compared to when
they actually melt down from the inside out. Ya Rio`s dont
impress at all. Sedra is somewhat better but truth be know i
dont think there is a decent underwater pump on the market but
theres still a feew id like to tinker with. Theres a marketing idea
for someone...... Build an underwater Pump that is reliable ,
wont jam up easy and not melt inside the tank.
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FYI,

Rio has recently change the design of their pumps.

The new design seems to be much more reliable.

 

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Jake (or anyone else who might know), what was it about their design that caused the impellar to jam?  I've taken my two 2100s apart more time then I care to mention and I can't seem to find the problem.  They both require a couple good whacks to get going.
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I've had other powerheads that wouldn't restart. Here is a trick that worked for me.
The syringe with tubing or the turkey baster that you use for feeding coral or other handy things, can be used to squirt a jet of water into the powerhead outlet which turns the impellor just enough to un-jam it. It's also gentler on the pump than hitting it.
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