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Topic: Secrets of Curing Live Rock Posted: February 27 2011 at 8:09am |
a good hobbyist in another thread wrote:
]Rather than moving LR to someone elses tank why not mix
up some saltwater and cure it in some rubbermaid totes or a large trash
can? |
I hope the reason will make sense as you read this post.  It requires some basic understanding of biology, it's a little
complicated and I'm not so good at explaining it, sorry.  Traditionally, Live Rock shipments are cured in dark tubs where dead stuff decomposes for 6-8 weeks. To receive a shipment of LR and place it in an empty tub of saltwater or in an empty tank or a newly setup tank actually kills a lot of
life in the resulting high ammonia, high Nitrite, and high Nitrate
conditions. On the other hand, when a small portion of new LR is placed
in an established reef tank, the pollution is handled by the existing
mature biological filtration. A skimmer on that host system also helps quite a
lot. The Ammonia and other Nitrogen pollution levels may rise, but rarely to
levels that would kill the life on and in the new rock and the hosting system. One of the added benefits is that the new LR is ready in only about 2 weeks. There
is a basic concept which when understood, will make a huge difference
in how we care for Live Rock. Live Rock is not just "rock". It has things living on and in it. Those living organisms, the algae, bugs, coral,
worms, clams, sponge, and other cool things need to be cared for just like fish and
coral. When they are out of water they suffocate and die. The
pollution that comes from a large amount of dieing new LR can kill an
entire aquarium, but when just a few lbs./pieces of LR are submerged in a
well established reef aquarium the new LR then is part of a host system
where good water flows around it carrying away dead matter and
pollution. The new LR is surrounded with good water where the life
that was struggling to survive in the damp suffocating conditions of the
shipping box can now breathe and recover from near death. Organisms that have already died can decompose in a healthy environment where pollution is at a minimum. I hope this concept make sense. Now let's look at how to put it into
practice. The amount of pollution a piece of LR will create depends on
the amount of life on/in the LR and whether it came straight from the ocean
or whether it was left to partially "cure" in a traditional curing tank in
transit. This determines the amount of care needed by a shipment of LR.
Depending on the degree of care needed for the LR and the maturity of
the host aquarium, add an amount of new LR equal to
somewhere between 5-20% of the amount of LR currently
in the tank. Together, the LR, Live Sand and Macroalgae in the host aquarium will handle the temporary pollution created by the new LR. Also be sure to twist, turn and shake the new LR
to remove as many air bubbles as possible. (This is an important technique that should also be used whenever LR is moved from one tank to another.) There is a side effect of this advanced procedure. An increase of algae growth
will occur, especially on surfaces like the glass/acrylic. It's actually best to
allow this algae to grow for a while as it eats up the extra pollution.
The aquarium display and Refugium lights turned on 24 hours per day during the process makes the algae eat up the pollution as fast as possible. This whole idea of understanding and using the biological processes at work in our tanks, is kind of the basis
upon which I first wrote the Reefkeeping Tips thread linked below. As usual, I'm open to
questions and comments.
Edited by Mark Peterson - February 27 2011 at 8:43am
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 8:02am |
I understand all this but asking members to put uncured live rock in their tanks is a pretty big gamble. You have no idea what life, live or dead is on the rock and placing it into an existing system introduces that life into everyones tanks. It is well known that many pests as well as beneficial life come into our systems on live rock. When setting up a new tank you're not exposing corals and fish to these pests and with any luck most pests are handled before the introduction of other livestock.
By putting uncured live rock into established tanks you can cure the rock faster but you also put at risk each tank you put the rock into. I would be very careful about putting uncured live rock into an established reef.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 8:34am |
That's crazy talk Burt. Don't be ridiculous. We know how to easily
eliminate all the major LR pests, either by hand or with another animal.
What pests are you afraid of? Feel free to list them and I'll show you how easy it is to eliminate them. Now you've got me going.
Have you ever done what I'm talking about?
Do you realize how much beneficial diversity of life comes in when the new LR is done this way?
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 8:47am |
Come on Mark,
You've never heard of a pest coming into an aquarium form Live Rock. Sure there are ways to eliminate them after the fact but it's much easier not to introduce pests in the first place. And no I haven't cured live rock in a working system. Don't plan to either.
Though it may be rare we just had a post about a 3' bobbit worm found in someone's tank I believe it was Cory's tank, and referenced articles in that thread say it probably came in on a piece of live rock. You may not even see the affects of what is introduced for months. You may be willing to risk it but I wouldn't especially when there are other methods of curing live rock.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 9:30am |
The more I think on this issue the more I am convinced that taking live rock, coral, or other livestock from a tank that is crashing and putting it into an established tank isn't a great idea.
How many times do we see posts of problems inexperienced hobbyists have from introducing a piece of coral into a tank without dipping it, Fish that infect an entire tank with a disease because it wasn't QT'd first. Mantis Shrimp and other pests that require dismantling the entire tank to remove. And what is almost always suggested. QT Everything, Dip your Corals, don't put your system at risk by introducing the unknown into your tank.
I am passionate about helping out my fellow hobbyists but I don't think that when someone makes a mistake such as dumping a bunch of uncured live rock in their tank that we all go grab a piece and plunk it into our tanks. I don't want to make anyone feel bad for making a mistake but I also don't want inexperienced hobbyists to take lightly putting things into their tanks that could potentially cause issues for them as well.
There is plenty of information right here on this site and elsewhere about pests that can be introduced into an aquarium as hitchhikers on live rock, coral and other items. Bottom line for me is don't put anything in your tank unless you are willing to accept the risks involved. They may be minimal but they do still exist and exposing an established reef to unnecessary risk is not worth the biodiversity you may gain.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 10:21am |
With all due respect, Burt, I have been doing this successfully for many years. Sure there are risks, but to argue that this method should not be used because of the risks is to ignore the benefits that you have never known.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 10:56am |
No doubt I still have plenty to learn  . One thing I have learned though is that I brought some things into my tank I wish I hadn't and being a little more cautious would have prevented hours of ongoing work.
I don't think the method should not be used. It is probably very effective for someone wanting to add rock to their system and if one knows the risks and is willing to accept them go for it. My fear is that someone not knowing the risks but wanting to help out may get more than they bargan for.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 12:26pm |
I would hate for someone to go through the hassle of trying to remove flat worms, red bugs, mantis shrimp, rock crabs, bubble algae, bryopsis, aptaisia, etc all for the sake of helping someone out. Now, if the rock is added to the sump where those critters will most likely not cause a problem, then not a big deal. However, I would be caution as Burt said because if you have any number of those added to your display tank it could be difficult, costly, and time consuming to remove.
Like I said, I do think that adding them to a sump is harmless for the most part. Adding them to the main tank would be a decision that would need to be made with caution.
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