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    Posted: November 23 2009 at 12:21am
I have two 250W Jager heaters. They've always been a little weird in that I have to set them to 72 to keep the tank at 78. Not a big deal I thought, and I've been happy that the tank has been very consistent at 78/79 lately with the winter weather.

Well, my furnace went out a couple nights ago. The house dropped to 50 and the tank dropped to 75. I thought that maybe they just couldn't handle the temp difference, BUT they weren't even kicking on! You'd think they'd be blazing trying to stay at 78. As I was waiting for the furnace to get fixed I set them to 77. The tank temp went to 79 and they still weren't shutting down. Anyways, furnace fixed, both set back to 72 and my tank is happy again at 78.

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Any one else experience problems with these heaters?
Do I need a heater with more watts to handle my 90G?
Recommendations for other heaters to try?

thanks,
jeff


Edited by jeffm - November 23 2009 at 12:22am
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You may be confused because you are relying on the temperature indicated on the heater adjusting knob. These markings are NEVER to be trusted. The only way I set the temperature in a tank is to play with the knob until the heater maintains the temperature where I want it. When the temp went to 75 and stayed, that's right exactly where I would have left it. I would not have touched a thing.
 
Here is how I do it. I start with turning the knob down to where the light goes off. Then I very slowly turn the knob up until the light just goes on. Then if the tank is already where I want it, I turn the knob ever so slightly back until the light goes off. Then I let it sit and wait to see how far the temp drops over the next few hours or even a day. Then if it drops too far I turn the knob until the light goes on and then wait again for the light to go off and to see if the temp is where I want it. (75 is where I almost always want it. This makes it so the heater turns on at 75 but with lights and pumps it has more wiggle room. By starting at 75, it takes longer for the tank to heat up to over 82, the danger zone.) It's a slow process but that's the only way to do it. The slightest turn of the knob is not going to corresspond with the actual change so be patient.
 
Actually, just one 250W is plenty for that size of tank.
Ebo Jeager makes some of the best heaters, IMO.
The most common problem with heaters is that they stick in the "On" position. Many people will use two lower wattage heaters so that if one breaks and sticks in the "On" position, it will not fry the tank!
I have also used the "Stealth" heater. It has two safety measures; made of unbreakable polymer/ceramic and a cut off switch in case of overheating when out of the water and still plugged in!
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ebo jagers are probably the best of the heaters i've used but all of them IMO are bad.... A good option is to go with a ranco or an aquarium controller to control your heaters as well.  It's an excellent failsafe in this case....if the aquarium heater malfunctions the controller should cover you
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thanks for the feedback. Mark, I pretty much went through the process you described to find that setting them to 72 on the knob gave me the right temp. It's nice to hear that's more the norm. I'm also reading that you can calibrate them, but still generally the knob setting is not to be trusted.

I guess I'm still surprised that two nice heaters with plenty of wattage wouldn't hold the temp up when the house went cold.

a controller is on the wish list  - along with a lot of other things. :)
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