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    Posted: February 06 2009 at 7:45pm
Hi all,

My name is Sean and I am a total newby to the reef aquarium hobby, and really to fish keeping in general.  I have a betta sitting on my desk here but otherwise I've never really kept fish.  I've always had an interest in saltwater fish and corals and I've recently been considering setting up a relatively small and relatively low-maintenance reef tank.  I have done a lot of reading on the Internet which has taught me a lot but has also provided a bunch of conflicting info.

My initial goal is to set up the tank with some soft corals and a small fish population.  I would like to consider moving into LPS corals in the future, and from the sounds of it I could probably get some LPS corals going without any real crazy lighting or current requirements.  My hope is to get the equipment I need to support this goal without a bunch of unnecessary spending, either by getting stuff I simply don't need or stuff that I will need to replace sooner than later.

The only equipment I have at this point is a glass 10 gallon tank that I was originally going to use for freshwater.  Now I am thinking I will convert it to a three-chamber sump/refugium.  I figure the live rock / macroalgae / protein skimmer route is the way to go. However, I have heard mixed opinions regarding BioBalls and the like in sumps.  Some people say that they're just traps for poison and other people highly recommend them.  Does anyone have opinions or experience one way or the other?  Is there something else I should consider that I am missing for sump filtration?

From what I've read the 55 gallon tank seems to be the de facto starter size.  I really like the idea of custom building an acrylic tank but I am worried that it will be cost prohibitive.  One thing that I haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer to is reef tank height requirements.  Based on the DIY acrylic tank guides I've seen, the tank height determines the required acrylic thickness.  I'd really like to do something like a 36" L x 18" W x 18" H but that requires 3/8" acrylic from what I've read and that gets spendy fast from what I've seen.  On the opposite end, I've been keeping an eye on KSL looking for a used tank that isn't scratched and can be drilled.  I want to avoid an external overflow and I'd really like to run a closed loop circulation system rather than powerheads.  Would it be feasible to drill a glass tank for internal overflow and closed loop or do I run the risk of hurting the structural integrity of the tank?  I know acrylic carries a lot of benefits compared to glass and I think I'd prefer that, but not if it's carrying a 4x price premium or whatever.  Does anyone know of a good, inexpensive local supplier for cell cast acrylic?

As far as internal overflows go, I'm still a little foggy.  I haven't been able to find a good resource for designing overflows.  I'm assuming the simplest and most effective design is to just drill a hole in the bottom of a tank, drill some holes into a length of PVC to use as the drain, and then surround it with glass or acrylic.  If the bottom of the tank is tempered glass, is there any disadvantage to putting the bulkhead(s) in the side of the tank rather than the bottom?

For a closed loop setup on a 55-ish gallon tank and the goal of some fish with soft and LPS corals, how much flow should I be looking for?  How many outlets should I go for, and is there any specific tank location where I should put the outlets?  My initial thought was to put four outlets in the back wall of the tank near the bottom, but I really have no idea if that will work or not.  Any thoughts?

Lighting is something that I am 100% confused on.  I have seen people running all manner of crazy lighting setups and a lot of them seem like overkill to me.  A lot of the sites describing the keeping of various corals use terms like "low light" and "medium light".  I have no idea what that translates to in real-world items.  PC?  T5?  HO/VHO flourescent?  What's going to give me the best bang-for-my-buck while keeping my fish and corals happy?  Also, I'm thinking that I will do a custom-built stand and canopy.  Are there any considerations other than keeping the lights dry and ventilated?

Does anyone have any opinions on protein skimmers for this kind of set up?  What about the DIY skimmer plans I've seen out there?  Has anyone attempted a DIY skimmer set up or does anyone have any knowledge of their effectiveness?

I still have a bunch of questions regarding how best to get started once I have all the equipment ready, but I figure I should have a place to stick stuff before I worry about the rest. =)

Man, I did it again.  Sorry for the super long post.

Sean
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Rule #1 - go see tanks of members! go see tanks of members! go see tanks of members!

OK here is my suggestion.

I would go with what you can afford, there is no "starting size". I really like a 65 for starting out new.

Go with some powerheads and avoid the closed loop costs, JMO. The Koralias and Maxi Jets are great powerheads.

As for protein skimmer, I like MSX, ASM or Euro Reef. You can find them used on this site all the time.

Now lighting is whole other story. I myself will only ever run T5. Well that is until LED improves and is more cost effective. If you are looking at going with LPS then T5 is your best bet IMO. You can get a good retro kit for pretty cheap. Check www.reefgeek.com for those. They are the best to deal with. Lighting will and should be the most expensive start up item. But is well worth it!

These are all just my opinions. Hope they help!

Also Mark Peterson should jump in here in soon with a link to a great thread on here on how to setup a cheap reef. Very good info.
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Welcome static242!
 
I agree. Go see some tanks and get some ideas. We love showing off our tanks!
 
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Thanks much for the advice and pointers so far, guys.  I'll be sure to check out the member tanks.  I look forward to this cheap setup thread you speak of. =)

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Welcome to the board.  I agree...go see some tanks, then do what works best for you.
 
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Sean -
 
All good advice... the only thing I would add is you will probably be thankful later if you could figure out how much $$$ you wanted to spend getting started up.
 
This way our advice would be tailored towards your budget.
 
Advice on things like tank size, lighting and filtration equipment, what you can keep as far as livestock, etc. will be different if you say (for example) "My start up budget for a setup is $1,000" vs. "My start up budget is $200"...
 
 
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Welcome!  We're happy to have you here.
We have a few Bountiful/Centerville/NSL club members.  Plenty of tanks to see.
 
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Welcome as well.  Your mor than welcome to see my 24 gallon aquapod if you like.

Here is what a customer said while on hold Oh my gosh! Did you open the door? I told you not to open the door. Dre is in here completely naked and he's got freak'n Macaroni and Cheese in his hands.
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Thanks for the warm welcomes, everyone!  I've been looking at http://www.aquaristsonline.com/blog/category/aquarium-diy/ as it seems to be a pretty good DIY resource.  I'm sure people have seen this site before but I just wanted to keep it here as a reference for myself. =)

As far as my total budget to get started goes, it's really difficult for me to say right now.  I'm in the midst of some drama involving a refinance on my house and a dealership claiming that they didn't wreck my car for me.  Right now I'm still gathering info and planning.  Next step will be to pick up a book or two.  Tank, stand, and plumbing to follow.

It'll be a work in progress for a while but I'll get there. =)

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Here's the link to the informative thread about having a reef tank going within a week for not too much $$: http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244
Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks:
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Mark, thanks a lot for that link.  Lots of good information there.  I think I decided I'm going to go the used tank route despite my desire to do something really cool and custom.  It'll save me money for this first go-round.  Seems like most folks can't get by with just one tank so I'll save the big ideas for the next one. =)

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Be sure to keep the LR submerged as you move it, described in that thread.
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