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    Posted: February 27 2012 at 8:10am
So we've been running our tank with a single powerhead but we were aware from reading around that the flow wasn't sufficient so we've ordered a second one. Both are Maxijet 1200's, but we have them in powerhead mode (295GPH) because the wavemaker attachment is chintzy or so it seems to me. My understanding is a good turnover rate is 6x to 10x your tank size in GPH, we have a 55G so with two of those we'll get ~600GPH which is just over the 10x rate of 550GPH. Those values seem good to you all, my fellow aquarists?

But my question now is positioning. What I've read is you want them both angled (either in the back or front) towards the center middle. I understand the reason for this is to break the water surface and oxegynate the water but it seems to me that pointing two powerheads output to point to the same area would cancel out a lot of current. Is this the case? Am I misunderstanding how it works or how placement is supposed to be done?

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Oh and another flow question! What we've read states you should position powerheads near the top but in most tanks that I've seen (other members, the LFS) have them about 2/3 of the way towards the bottom pointing up.
Is there something special that makes this configuration better? We couldn't do it this way because we've found the suction cups can't support the weight of the powerhead for more than a week or so, so we have to use the hanging clips which leave the powerheads at the top.
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The lower the better IMO. You'll want to circulate water from the bottom to the top and break the surface to get good oxygenation. Turbulent current is good as well. Just play around with it until you feel good about it. You can always change it later if you want.
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Allrighty. I guess it wouldn't be too tough to rig up some hooks to hang the things lower. We'll try that, thanks! Still curious about if it's enough/too much flow and if it will cancel flow out tho :)

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I think the flow rate is ok. If you have a sump, dont forget to add the return as flow. As far a canceling flow, I dont think you can. Flow is flow. Stagnant water is a no-no. Movement is good!
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if its a reef tank, make that 20x from what i remember. Get two or three power heads and point one from the back right across the back and one one the back left pointing forward and both up. You wont cancel out flow, thats not going to happen unless you have some awesome wave harmonics in there lol. You will get patterned flows depending on your positions. Just play around with it until you get the pattern that works best for your tank, coral and fish.
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I'd definitely use the 'wavemaker attachment' on these mj1200s...

You will end up needing way more than 10X flow if you plan on having any corals at all (and i am pretty sure you already do)... Makes way more sense to up the flow on the pumps you already have than to go out and buy more pumps and leave these 2 at less than max capacity.

With 2 pumps you can either place them on opposite sides of the tank (on the side glass) about halfway down, angled towards the surface - or back glass, halfway down, near the corners, angled up and towrads the front.   
 
In a 55g tank, the 2 pumps will be almost 4 feet apart; don;t worry about the flow streams meeting up and 'canceling' each other out.
 
Once your tank has been well established (maybe a year from now) and your corals have started filling in and you have added a good amount of livestock to the tank you will probably be looking at adding another pump or 2...
 
 
 
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I didn't read everything above so please forgive if I am repeating good advice from my friends.

I've experimented with all kinds of flow using the minimum number of powerheads. Two MJ1200's in in each back lower corner that tank could be just right. I'm not so sure about the new mods to make MJ's into propeller driven "stream pumps". I've never been impressed with small sized stream pumps. The current that the standard MJ1200 small nozzle creates is just right in my experience.

I set the suction cups backwards (see pic below) which makes it stay better(scrape the surface clean) or you can push the back corners of the powerheads into the sand or supported by rocks.

The two streams of water that hit in the middle top surface of the tank create a good turbulent vortex which swirls down and around to create as good of flow as possible.

Here are some pics of how to modify a MJ1200 with a secondary intake screen of Plastic Canvas sewn together with fishing line and super glue which makes it go longer before needing to be removed for cleaning.


Best placement angle


This 75 gal had two powerheads positioned on the sand in the back corners shooting up diagonally to the surface with a Poormans Wavemaker at the top back center sending streams alternating back and forth every 6 hours like the ocean tides. Everything did very well in this tank. Follow this link to the very ingenious MJ1200 Poormans Wavemaker, which is also found in the Reefkeeping Tips below.



Edited by Mark Peterson - February 28 2012 at 5:30pm
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