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    Posted: January 24 2016 at 10:07pm
I am considering buying a controller. I have noticed a lot of people on the forum have them. I was curious to see what people think of them. Pros v cons and which controller is considered to be the best.
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Please don't let my comments here discourage you from using a controller or stifle feedback regarding the advantages, but after 23 years, almost 50 of my own tanks, 3 coral farms and 100's of maintenance accounts(many with controllers), I still have no need for controllers. 

Lights are controlled by 2 or 3 grounded appliance timers (cost: $36)
Alkalinity testing tells me where pH is (cost: $0, since controller cannot do Alk testing)
System is designed to be self sustaining in case of power failure (cost $0)
System is designed to run 5 days without attention (cost $0)
Heater is undersized(to avoid overheating); set at 75 in winter; unplugged in summer. (cost: $0)
During 5+ days away, an experienced hobbyist friend checks on the tank (cost $0, favor exchange)

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I use a Reef Angel. I like it, but it's not for everyone. You need to enjoy tinkering with the software side of it to like it. The only other one I have had any experience with is an Apex. I like those A LOT!

Mine controls my main pump (DC pump), powerheads, skimmer, heater three sets of LED lights, the sump light set to opposite the tank lights, the ATO and the heaters. I'm going to set it up to dose two part periodically throughout the day, and do a daily water change of 1%. If I'm travelling for work and need to check the tank I open my phone or tablet and see what the tank it doing. If something is amiss I call home with some instructions.

Buying a controller is a big expense. Go see other people's controllers and ask them how they use them. Make an informed decision and get what works best for you. For me it was made reefing easier. I wouldn't go without one now.

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I have Apex's and love them. Could I do everything that it does in other ways? Yes. Do I love the fact that I can check on my system from anywhere? Absolutely! Do I love that I can even turn things on and off remotely? You bet your sweet... Do I love that I can see the tank via a web cam to check on it whenever I want? Sure do. Do I have redundant designs and systems in place just in case the controller has a melt down? You better believe it.

Short answer is I love it and wouldn't setup another tank without one.

Long answer is that you can plan your system to work in any scenario with just a little extra work. I am gone quite a bit and I need to know that my system is running correctly and that I will get alerts if something is out of the norm. No friend can give me that when I'm not there.

My lights are controlled (dimmed via my controller) as well on off. Appliance timers only last a couple of years and then start sticking on or off.
Just as pH is related to Alkalinity, the opposite can be true as well. The key is continuous monitoring to detect values outside of the norm. It doesn't really matter what the actual pH numbers are so much as whether that values fluctuate outside of the historical norm. A controller can detect that and alert the owner. A test kit can't nor do the test kit result show accuracy unless the measurement is done at the same time of the day each time as Alk and pH fluctuate during a 24 hour period.
System is designed to be self sustaining in the case of a power outage as well as keep enough systems online long enough to notify me that the power is off and the backup systems have been switched on.
System designed to to run for days without attention. Although lets get real, what's the point of having a tank if we aren't looking at it or doing something with it?
Heater is correct sized with it's own temperature controller set 2 degrees higher than the normal tank temperature. This not only prevents crashing the tank but the controller can alert you to a stuck outlet as the temp will go 2 degrees above normal with out causing tank issues.

In the end it's all about what you plan to do with your system and how you want to spend your time with your system. Some of us are techies and it just makes sense to have technology involved in our reefs. Others choose to do it other ways and monitor or act on issues as they arise. Both ways work, one is more expensive than the other, but one lets me be in control of my tank whenever I want to be. Krazie


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Krazie4Acans summed it up well.

I have been using an apex for a number of years and will never do another tank with out one.  I love having the peace of mind that comes with a controller and especially the leak detectors!  Being able to check on parameters and equipment remotely is very comforting, especially during vacations and work trips for me.

It streamlines the automation and having everything in one package is very convenient.  Unfortunate fish tank events always happen when I am not home and a controller and power back-up is a must in my opinion.  
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Don't listen to Mark, that's crazy talk - get a controller Wink


APEX is considered the 'gold standard' today. It is a bit pricey, but one of the most comprehensive and 'user-friendly' controllers out there.

Personally, I have a Digital Aquatics Reefkeeper Elite - which I like. But, I upgraded from a Reefkeeper Lite - and so was able to reuse many components to keep the cost down.

However, if I was starting from scratch I would have went for the APEX.







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That is what the wife is for. She is the controller around here.


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I get the fun of playing with tech, but a controller is something I just haven't been able to justify to myself. It seems like half the programs I find for them are creative lighting and pump controls. Which, are an interesting side benefit, but hardly a reason to drop that kind of money on it. The only thing I've found that might be handy is running logs of various parameters, but even that doesn't really make it worth it to me. 

I could easily add webcam viewing, though I don't really see a point. 

Other than feeding, I can already run for days without attention... Though, why? I built the thing to look at it. :) 

I might put something together to let me know the ATO is low, or the skimmer is full, etc... I can do that for about $20 and a little code.... 

So, what are people using the fancy Apex and such for? I honestly want to know, I look into them once in a while and can think of a few nice things, but not enough to spend the cash on one. 
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Auto water change.
Originally posted by ttabbal ttabbal wrote:

I get the fun of playing with tech, but a controller is something I just haven't been able to justify to myself. It seems like half the programs I find for them are creative lighting and pump controls. Which, are an interesting side benefit, but hardly a reason to drop that kind of money on it. The only thing I've found that might be handy is running logs of various parameters, but even that doesn't really make it worth it to me. 

I could easily add webcam viewing, though I don't really see a point. 

Other than feeding, I can already run for days without attention... Though, why? I built the thing to look at it. :) 

I might put something together to let me know the ATO is low, or the skimmer is full, etc... I can do that for about $20 and a little code.... 

So, what are people using the fancy Apex and such for? I honestly want to know, I look into them once in a while and can think of a few nice things, but not enough to spend the cash on one. 
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Love my Apex and the ability to monitor and troubleshoot remotely. Have had 2 cases where the Apex saved the day.....
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Originally posted by ttabbal ttabbal wrote:

So, what are people using the fancy Apex and such for? I honestly want to know, I look into them once in a while and can think of a few nice things, but not enough to spend the cash on one. 


LED light dimming and control
Temperature control (to within .1 degree if you want it)
Sump levels (high and low)
Leak detection
Automatic feeding
Automatic water changes
Calcium reactor control and monitoring
Power control and variation
Under stand lighting
Turn skimmer off when return pump is off or sump is high to prevent it overflowing into the sump.
Sump light control opposite of tank lighting
Remote monitoring and control of critical systems
Notification of out of norm conditions
Auto top off control
Automatic Response to critical system issues.
Etc...

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I use it to babysit the tank when I'm on business travel.
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I use a controller for the peice of mind it can give you.. can't put a price tag on that...
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