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    Posted: January 14 2010 at 6:11pm
I am loosing my mind trying to keep my Ph in line.  I have been dosing with Kent's part A and B calcium for quite a while.  Water changes every two weeks.  Just now started dosing with seachem's auquavitro 8.4 because I can't get my alkalinity to come up at all.  I use seachem test kits.  Salinity 1.025, Calcium 400, Magnesium 1300, Alkalinity is always 2-2.5ppm (that is about 6dkh) no matter what I do.  Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates all show 0.  Sump with refugium. Tried numerous refugium lighting times with no difference.  Tank 90g with 30g sump.  Lights are 2 x 250 mh with actinics.  Monitor Ph with a neptune apex controller. In the morning Ph is 8.2 something.  By late afternoon after lights have been on it climbs up to high 8.4's and even low 8.5's.  Most my coral is thriving but I have a couple like candy cane that a few polyps have started to die off.  Wonder if because of the Ph fluctuations. No new additions of fish and just added the coral from the fragfest.  No other changes to tank.  No algae problem at all in the tank.  I have started reducing the time the halides are on to help the ph but they only on about 6 hours to begin with.  I think I've included most info.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
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I wouldn't worry so much about the PH fluctuations and work on the alkalinity. If your PH is in the 8+ range it's fine. If it's changing throughout the day try pointing a powerhead at the surface for more surface agitation. That will promote better gas exchange and should keep your PH more stable.
 
Alkalinity now is a different story There is a good article on understanding alkalinity and its adjustment here under the topic Aquarium Problem Solving. http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37247  


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Also a picture of the tank would be a big help in determining the issue. I had a problem maintaining alk for a while and just started adding a little baking soda to my top off water. the levels have come up and remained stable for about a month now. I started with 1/4 tsp per gallon and increased 1/2 tsp now.

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check your magnesium... mag, calcium and alkalinity work hand in hand.. if one is not normal the others will have a hard time staying up.. this will also work into your PH.. fix those first.

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Great advice above.
 
That 2 degrees of pH swing is actually fairly common from night to day. Real problems would only come if it went below 7.8 or above 8.5
No need to worry and feel free to adjust the photoperiod back to where you had it.
 
My first thought after reading your excellent description and ample data is that you meant 2-2.5 meq/L not ppm. Am I assuming correctly? If that is correct then the next thought that comes to me is that the test kit may be off. Have you checked it against another test kit or had Alk and Ca checked by an LFSQuestion
 
Next, if the readings are correct, have you added just the Alkalinity part and stopped the Calcium to see how the Alk might riseQuestion  FYI, the two part solutions do not have to be added together nor in the same exact amounts. In your situation, after checking the readings and finding them to be correct, when Alk is low, and Ca is within range just stop the Ca and continue adding Alk. until it gets closer to 10. (Calcium between 350-450ppm is within range, Alk range is 2.5-3.5 meq/L (8-14 dKH)) As you increase Alk, the Ca will start to fall. Continue adding the Alk and resume adding a little Ca solution to keep it from falling below 350ppm.
 
BTW, you are changing water more often than needed. No more than 10%/month works just fine for the setup you described. That will save you some time and trouble, making it easier to enjoy your reef aquarium.Smile
 
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I did the same thing that Bfessler described and just started adding baking soda to my topoff water, tank is much more stable now for alk.
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