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jdinchak 
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Posted: May 18 2016 at 4:56pm |
It was interesting, felt conflicted at times and I wasn't in the hobby when Nemo was out. They didn't mention the level of captive breeding of clowns now. I wish they did more research on that.
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Posted: May 19 2016 at 9:59am |
The article irritated my sensibility.
On the 2007 Reef Tour, shortly after Finding Nemo was released on DVD, I played the movie for my visitors. I love the movie. I watch it at least 2x/yr. It's very entertaining and also educational. I had a YT that also loved air bubbles.
In my opinion, Finding Nemo increases public awareness of the ocean environment. As a club forum we found more opportunities to teach people about how to keep a reef aquarium and that the reef ecosystem operates in a balance that is quite different than keeping a goldfish in a bowl. We advised people not to buy a Dori until their tank could support it.
As a hobby, after the 2003 movie release, we became even more committed to raising our own Nemos. The LFS also found themselves needing to upgrade their knowledge and teach their customers. This was a very good thing because until then, with few exceptions, the WMAS/utahreefs forum was the only source of correct reefkeeping information along the Wasatch Front.
Overall, I believe these movies have a very positive effect.
I would be very curious to read what Matthew Carberry thinks about this. Jeremy, can we hear from Matthew?
Aloha, Mark 
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Posted: May 19 2016 at 11:01am |
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1 local fish store owner told me that when Finding Nemo came out the clownfish sales sky rocketed. He actually had to implement a company policy with his employees. They had to start asking customers about where the fish was going, because people were buying fish bowls and tossing the clown fish into them with tap water not knowing they needed salt water to live. He actually blamed the movie for this. Whether or not it stemmed from the movie, I don't know, but his point was that it caused a lot of people to buy these fish without any education on them. Sounds crazy to people like us, but I do know that half the people that come to my home that know nothing about the industry ask me if my tank is Salt Water lol.
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Posted: May 19 2016 at 12:42pm |
 jdinchak wrote:
It was interesting, felt conflicted at times and I wasn't in the hobby when Nemo was out.  They didn't mention the level of captive breeding of clowns now.  I wish they did more research on that. ÂÂÂ
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One of the first thing the video mentions is how easy it is to breed clownfish in captivity...but not blue tangs, which is true.
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 8:35am |
Yellow Tail Blue Damsels are a great substitute for Dori. I use them often for that purpose, letting clients know that Dory is not well suited, not happy in relatively small boxes of water.
I don't know if there are enough clownfish being raised to supply the entire hobby, but I'll bet it's pretty close. My thoughts are that the hobby is doing pretty good at minimizing its impact on the environment. In addition to captive bred and raised Clownfish and other marine ornamental fish: - BTA's are cloning like wildfire in hobbyist tanks - old reef rock mined in Florida and in Utah is used extensively - "used" mature LR and LS is often available from people downgrading or leaving the hobby - the www has connected the hobby, enhancing hobbyist trading and education (though some misinformation continues to circulate like flies around a pig stye) - home grown and commercially grown coral is sold on a scale like never before
There is something that bothers me though. Hobbyists do not seem to be as involved in learning, nor as inquisitive as they once were. Because a plethora of companies have produced so many products that meet the needs, the hobby has become sort of a "plug and play" experience. The passion for discovery is missing and hobbyists seem to be too focused on acquiring brightly colored showpieces, sparing no expense.
Does anyone else see this or do you disagree with me?
Mahalo, Mark
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 8:49am |
Mark.
SA alone produces more than 10,000 clownfish a month. I know the other 3 hatcheries do less but still more than 5,000 a month. A long with all the hobbyist breeders we all really could supply the hobby at least in this hemisphere. Are 400k shipped into the USA I would really doubt that. Alone between the hatcheries and hobbyist more than 400k are sold in the USA alone.
I agree and disagree with you on your point of discovery, ill just leave it at that.
The article and several others that have come out irk us at SA. To many are misleading and dont allow the reader to gain enough information.
Did you know there are 5 facilities in total that are hatching and raising yellow tangs? Did you know 2 of them are working on blue (hippo) tangs and 1 is working on Purple tangs?
Did you know 3 major hatcheries are working on different dwarf angles and larger angels along with anthias and Rabbit Fish as well as dragonettes and gobies?
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 9:08am |
Jeremyw wrote:
Did you know there are 5 facilities in total that are hatching and raising yellow tangs? Did you know 2 of them are working on blue (hippo) tangs and 1 is working on Purple tangs?
Did you know 3 major hatcheries are working on different dwarf angles and larger angels along with anthias and Rabbit Fish as well as dragonettes and gobies?
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Angels??? Tell me more please!
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 9:12am |
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Curious Jeremy, did you guys reach out to them after to give additional information? You should post your own article on the differences between releases of the movie and how much the industry has changed.
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 9:47am |
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We do reach out to them. I know the National Geo one that was published about 2 months ago they are planning on coming to the Facility to do a follow up and publish a retraction on some of the materialsthey posted.
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 1:15pm |
Angelfish? I have the time to google this. I'm sure Jeremy, in his position at SA, knows tons more about this, but here is what I found so far: Bali Aquarich in Bali, Indonesia Maze Flagfin Annularis Clarion Passer
Rising Tide at University of Florida Koran Blue Ring Blue Mauritius Emperor
?some place? in Taiwan Yellow Bar (P.maculosus) Arabian (P. asfer) these two look quite similar
A few months ago we saw an article by Jake Adams on his dismay regarding the first captive bred Yellow Tangs to be up for sale. Below is an excerpt and link to another of his articles. In my searching, he seems to be the only person talking about it. Perhaps that's why the public believes the misinformation coming from the Chicago Tribune about Dori and Nemo. There are no other voices and the companies doing the breeding probably don't want to reveal too much too soon. "Once upon a time...announcements of new captive bred marine fish were few and far between.....Nowadays with trailblazers in the field of breeding marine ornamental fish being so much more proficient, and spread out across the globe, it sometimes seems like hardly a week goes by without a new breakthrough."
Regarding Flame Angelfish all I could find was from 2003. Two guys formed Black Pearl Inc. as a division of Kona Blue Water Farms but in 2012 KBWF was sold to Blue Ocean and all they are doing now, it seems, is raising Kampachi, a marine food fish.
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Posted: May 20 2016 at 2:12pm |
Jeremyw wrote:
We do reach out to them. I know the National Geo one that was published about 2 months ago they are planning on coming to the Facility to do a follow up and publish a retraction on some of the materialsthey posted. |
This article? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/160503-marine-aquarium-trade-captive-bred-wild-caught-fish/
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Posted: May 21 2016 at 8:48pm |
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I picked up a tank raised Dory about a month ago. Kinda funny that it wouldn't graze the rocks or take Nori until it watched my Yellow tang and dwarf angel. Now it constantly grazes and eats seaweed.
Over half of the fish in my tank are tank raised (clowns, hippo tang, cardinal). All are very happy and I do everything in my power to give them the best possible.
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Posted: May 23 2016 at 9:49am |
That's awesome Eric. 
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