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    Posted: May 16 2013 at 7:01pm
came home to find one of my radions had fallen into the tank (faulty wall mount) everything in the tank seems ok, is there a way to save the radion. 
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completely submerged? i am sorry to hear. i had my vega soaked by a blown hose and it fried it. i hear rice absorbs moisture pretty good though so you can try that. You should probably open the unit up first if your going to try this method.
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ya completely submerged. im gonna do some ro water rinses first (since it was already submerged, might as well submerge it again and rinse it clean water) ill contact ecotech though before opening it up. 
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That sucks man.. So sorry to hear. Unfortunately eco tech probably won't do much for ya. Whatever you do don't try and turn it on until it is completely dry. Rice works really well. Take it apart completely. Then fill it with rice in every nook and crany. Then let it sit like that for 24 to 48 hours. The longer the better. You wouldnt believe the electronics I have saved this way.
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Dont put anymore water on it. Water no matter how much causes corrosion. Call a local cell phone repai place and ask them about a water damage cleaning. They professionaly ultrasonic clean it and put a anti rust coating on all the electrical connections. Think about it this way, no mater how long you do the rice thing there will still be moisture in it even the slightest. It will continue to rust and corode everything. DONT TURN IT ON.

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Try, try, try, then give up!
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This happened to me with my AI. use a dryer to dry it as much as you can. then take cotton and put in alcohol and wipe lightly around all the boards. Then put in rice I left mine in for like 2 days. pulled it out put it back together and it worked. but mine dropped in i was right there. so got it out fast.
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Aloha,

How unfortunate. I would suspect that even after just 5 minutes in the salt water any electrical circuit board is going to be a goner. Even after drying, the residual salt attracts moisture. Salt water makes an easy short circuit between contacts on a circuit board. I don't know if manufactured LED units use power supplies that are sealed like the power supplies for T5 and PC fluorescent light fixtures.

If this were mine, I would take it as far apart as possible and wipe off the saltwater 2 or 3 times with 2 or 3 separate damp cloths or paper towels to remove all the residual salt. Then I would set it out in direct sunlight for an afternoon to dry it before testing.
Testing would involve setting it on a nonflammable surface like concrete and plugging it in just far enough to make the connection, keeping my hand on the plug so I could quickly unplug it, if it started buzzing or hissing. That sound would indicate saltwater somewhere that I would then try to get to. If that didn't do it and it shorted out the power supply, I might consider replacing the power supply or junk it. Cry

Mounting is critical. Please don't be offended if you already know this. I share it in the hopes that some reader may benefit.
If I can't find a wall stud to screw into I use Molly Bolts like described in this great article I just found where they tested wall anchors:
http://www.todayshomeowner.com/testing-wall-anchors-and-picture-hangers/
I can't recall ever having a Molly Bolt failure. I like them because they don't require as large a hole as Toggle Bolts so they are easy to paint or Spackle and paint over.

For really heavy loads or on drywall I don't trust to hold a Molly Bolt, I attach a nice 1x4 painted/stained board to the wall studs with grabber screws and then attach the item with shorter grabber screws.

Hope this helps someone.
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... and everything's dead. :(
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The Radion is dead, but the tank is okay, yeah?
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Nope... Everythings dead. A bit overwhelmed and disheartened at the moment
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I'm so sorry!!!!!!!!!!

If there's anything any of us can do let us know! I'm sure we can help you get it going again.
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I am sorry dude that really blows. I had a very similar thing happen a few years back. Mine was just my led moon lights though that fell into the tank. Killed nearly all my livestock. So I feel your pain.
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im just gonna take it one step at a time. a couple 40g water changes, watch my parameters before i put anything back in it, ugh... i was finally having success with chalices.. the light was easy to deal with, but just pulling out dead things sucks so bad. especially when you add it up. 
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Oh Dave that is awful. In your first post you said that everything in the tank seemed okay. I feel awful for your loss. Cry


You know what. This happens often enough that I think I'll start a thread and if it goes well, place it in the Reefkeeping Tips. I'm the son of an Engineer and have an engineering mindset so figuring out the best way to do things and finding the root cause to solve the problem is in my blood. I hope that you will add to that thread from what you learned here.

Again, my condolences for your loss.

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