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    Posted: April 17 2005 at 3:22pm
Well my new acrylic nano is gonna be done here in a week or so. 

Here is my planned complete setup:
9.5g 13" cube
5g sump
5g fuge with low flow

Probably 12-15lbs of LR
4" DSB
Lots of macroalgae in fuge
150w MH w/ 14k bulb
A few LPS, and a few SPS.



I'm just curious what you guys think is my limit fish wise?


I'm currently thinking about a clown pair, one goby, and one flame hawk (can they survive in smaller tanks?)


How many fish could my tank support? 

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The clown pair and small goby will work.  It can't be a mandarin though.  Flame Hawk won't work - it's a carnivore and there is not enough food.  Here's what I have in my nano's

15 gallon - six line wrasse, bicolor blenny, glack clown, shrimp

12 gallon - two baby tomato clowns, goby, corris wrasse, two green chromis's (looks like a lot for a 12 g)

12 gallon at work - six line wrasse, percula clown, peppermint shrimp.

Hope this helps.  You are welcome to come see them anytime.  

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dang, that sucks about the flame hawk.  I really liked those fish.  I'm thinking 4 fish is about as much as I'm gonna get.
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I have a 12g nano - its been running for 5-6 months now.  It has about 10 lbs live rock, lots of live sand, and the following livestock:

juvenile sixline wrasse, two baby tomato clowns, hi fin red stripped shrimp gobie (stonogobiops nematode), crazy peppermint shrimp, two emerald crabs, usual snails/hermits, hosted BTA (small one) and various polyps and xenia

Here's how the community works so far: the two clowns fight constantly, so one stays in the aneomone and the other hides in back.  The goby only comes out to feed and is always tucked away in the rock cave somewhere, hiding.  The shrimp is getting huge, but also stays tucked away unless someone is near the tank - at which time it comes out to beg for food.  I never ever see the emerald crabs.  I also have two powerheads going (not full blast, but giving a soft current).  The BTA seems very happy and has planted itself in a nice spot.  (You know a BTA is happy when it stops wandering and has found a spot it likes.)  If I'd had it to do over again I would not have put the goby in there.  He's a great fish, but at feeding time, it just gets out-competed too often (e.g. its difficult to feed without over-feeding the whole tank).  Its not a very smart fish.

Problems:  one imminent and one far off.  The imminent one is bioload.  I've noticed if I don't do my weekly 25-30% water change religiously, the tank gets pretty skanky (that's a technical term, btw).  Far off problems include having to find new homes once the silly wrasse and mean clown get too big, which they will, eventually.  But I knew that going in.  All these fish can get to be 3-4 inches long each, totalling over 12 inches, not including the shrimp.  That's just way too crowded for a 12g JBJ cube, especially considering there isn't really 12g of water in there with all the rock, etc.

There are two lines of thought here.  The first is that you should never buy a fish and place it in an environment you know it will grow out of because its just too much stress for the fish and its not a healthy way to go about the hobby.  The second is that as long as the lfs will continue to take livestock back, what's to stop you from buying baby fish and growing them out in your tank? 

If you love doing water changes and can justify in your mind the "give it back to the shop" philosophy, then go for it.  I know nothing about flame hawks.  But the rest should work.



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Here is what I have in a 2 week old 10 gal tank:

1 small Flame Angel
3 baby Tomato Clownfishes
1 Yellow-Tail Blue Damsel
1 Black Damsel (misleading name, but beautiful fish)
3 Hermit Crabs
5 Snails
1 acropora frag
2 montipora frags
small Fungia sp. plate coral
large Green Nepthia
3 Zooanthid frags
1 Ricordia
yellow polyp frag
many large mushrooms on rocks
7 types of macroalgae
4 pieces of LR
4 pieces of LBTR
1" Utah Oolitic sand
1/2" mixed size LS

I know this seems like a lot, but the tank is really quite sparse now. It will soon fill as these things grow.

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Ok, I too could probably stuff all that into a 10g and make it last for two weeks (maybe, though I don't have the experience you do).  But what does that prove? 
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Don't do what Mark does!  He'll tell you to go slow but then puts up a tank in two weeks.   
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How is a six line any different than having a flame hawk? They are both
carnivores that will pick off the rock...

What's the difference? Will hawks not as readly accept frozen foods?
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I say thumbs up on a flame hawk - even in a small tank. They will eat prepared foods. They have been reported to eat ornamental shrimp so keep that in mind. I would add a banded coral shrimp to your tank as well. They are cool and hardy ... and if you buy a large one, the hawk will likely leave it alone.

I had a twenty gallon tank set up in my daughter's second grade class room all year with the following:

1 x Clarkki clown
1 x Dominoe damsel
1 x Blue Damsel
3 x green chromis
1 x choc chip star
1 x decorator crab
1 x large blue leg hermit
1 x condalactic anemone
1 x banded coral shrimp
various astreas and turbos

Everything did fine, even with 18 hands touching the glass and water each day. I did monthly (ok almost monthly) water changes and had the teacher feed sparingly. The tank did well and the kids loved it!

By the way, filtration consisted of 10lbs of LR, 3" LS, and a HOB BioWheel. Lighting = 1 x 17 watt NO bulb.

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Originally posted by smatney smatney wrote:

Don't do what Mark does!  He'll tell you to go slow but then puts up a tank in two weeks.   
If I didn't have an established tank at my disposal, and friends like Susan giving gifts of coral, Renee giving the tank and coral, Chris giving the light hood, Kym and Scuba Dave giving coral, Ollie and DaveT giving fish, and Brokecarmugeon giving rock and coral, I couldn't have done this. Thanks all. Bonnie thanks you too.

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