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Topic: SPS Dying help! (A Explanation & Lesson) Posted: August 22 2010 at 2:03pm |
Help! Not sure what is going on, but got home from vacation...all corals are fine except for two....my pulsing xenia is all bubbly and is almost shrunk to nothing....however, I could care less about it....one of my acro's looks like it is literally peeling by the hour! What should I do? I did a 10% waterchange, and added carbon. Should I frag off any part that is not flaking? It is one of my favorites....the only thing I did differently before leaving on the trip was move it a little higher up....but this is not bleaching, it is literally flaking away! All other sps, lps, fish, anemone, etc. are fully extended and doing well.....I need help....is there a way to salvage any of it, or should I just let it be? Move it lower? I took out the xenia just now because maybe it was releasing some toxins?? Here is a pic, if it helps! Update: Been super busy with school starting up again, but thought I'd include some pics of what REALLY happened.....the day before I got back from Vacation. my uv sterilizer adapter literally blewup.....how? I know not....I didn't see any water leaking. From the melting/explosion/friedness, it blew a breaker for almost a day and a half, which resulted in the tank getting extremely warm....no fans running to keep cool, since power was out. I guess I am lucky no fish died, only one coral was lost, and that my place didn't catch on fire......lesson learned? Not sure, since I don't know what caused it....perhaps my surge protector was faulty? There is a couple more pics at the end of this thread....the wall is loaded with this black soot stuff from the explosion....
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 2:42pm |
what are your water parameters? how long were you in vacation? Did anyone take care of your tank while you were gone?
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 3:03pm |
have only tested ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate, all at 0.....gone for 6 days, I run an ato and automatic feeder, however, I still had someone come by every could days to check on things....this person said the temperature one day was high, around 85!! However, This was the day before I got back and I got some fans on the water ASAP and is now back to 78....perhaps this temp spike caused the die off? Is the coral a lost cause? Should I do a fw dip or iodine dip or is it too late?
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 3:15pm |
I would frag it now. no dip put it down on the sand
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 3:38pm |
When you frag it make sure you are well above the dead spots
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 4:23pm |
x2! frag it now
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 5:40pm |
Did you frag it? How are the frags doing?
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 5:54pm |
fragged what I could, but just arrived home after a few hours and all frags are pretty much white now....the coral is gone....within a half-day....
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 6:31pm |
Sorry to hear that. Temp can really be a big problem with sps
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 7:04pm |
RTN, your temp was most likely the cause. Stability is everything is the key to successful keeping of SPS.
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 9:53pm |
One afternoon with temp over 81 is all it takes to kill some SPS, and it's made more critical when parameters are not close to ideal.
After Temp and Salinity, Alk and Ca should always be the next things checked. In fact, I would stop spending time on testing the N compounds. By now your tank should be at the point where the biofiltration is pretty solid and will always keep pollution under control. If N gets out of whack the majority of coral and/or fish will tell you. (one coral having trouble is not a sign of high Nitrogen levels)
And another thing, don't change anything just before going away. The movement of the coral to a spot with higher light intensity and the change in water flow both added to the stress.
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 11:47pm |
Bummer. When they go, then can go fast.
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Posted: August 22 2010 at 11:54pm |
Its no suprise that SPS suffered the most, its hurtful to see one die. hopefully one of the frag makes it
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 6:56am |
Mark Peterson wrote:
One afternoon with temp over 81 is all it takes to kill some SPS, and it's made more critical when parameters are not close to ideal.
After Temp and Salinity, Alk and Ca should always be the next things checked. In fact, I would stop spending time on testing the N compounds. By now your tank should be at the point where the biofiltration is pretty solid and will always keep pollution under control. If N gets out of whack the majority of coral and/or fish will tell you. (one coral having trouble is not a sign of high Nitrogen levels)
And another thing, don't change anything just before going away. The movement of the coral to a spot with higher light intensity and the change in water flow both added to the stress.
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Great post Mark!
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 2:51pm |
Learning from you Jeff.
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Posted: August 23 2010 at 11:43pm |
I have ran my tank at 84 in the past set my heaters there read somewhere that sps would grow crazy fast if I did I saw no affects either way but my change in temp went over a few days I would say it was the fast swing in temps more then the he temps imo although Mark makes a good point about water parameters + temp
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Posted: August 24 2010 at 10:25am |
sanddune600 wrote:
I have ran my tank at 84 in the past set my heaters there read somewhere that sps would grow crazy fast if I did I saw no affects either way but my change in temp went over a few days I would say it was the fast swing in temps more then the he temps imo although Mark makes a good point about water parameters + temp |
I was going to make this same point. My tank likes to be about 80-82 degrees. It seems to naturally hover there and I don't really see any ill effect. Plus, it would take more effort keeping it lower and for what purpose?
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Posted: August 25 2010 at 9:34am |
That's a good question. In my experience the benefit of running our tanks at lower temperature is that less bad things can happen and if some problem does develop, it happens slower, giving the hobbyist time to correct and avoid a major catastrophe. Because of limitations on gas exchange, our tanks are not like the ocean which is constantly moving and moving a lot. Recognizing that a lot more oxygen can stay dissolved in water at 75 than at 81 degrees, means that life can do much better in a cooler tank. I have seen the figures somewhere in the past. If I recall correctly, it seems like water contained as much as 25% more oxygen by just dropping the temperature from 81 to 75. With hotter water, flow becomes more critical. If the water is always at 80+, when a mishap occurs and the flow stops, the life almost immediately suffocates. In a 70-75 degree environment the same mishap may not even lead to suffocation. I've seen tanks of all types of coral and fish in 70-75 degree water survive more than a day when the power went out. The life we keep can withstand 65-80 degrees with little problem. I have to say that in Hawaii I was surprised and pleased to find that the water was at ~74 degrees. There were warm pockets of up to around 82 degree water that flowed by in the surf zone and upwellings were around 70. It's also important to realize that all it takes is for a few temporarily bad water parameters to simultaneously combine and our little piece of the ocean is in serious jeopardy. I would not risk allowing my tanks to stay above 80 degrees. For what it's worth.
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Posted: August 25 2010 at 11:06pm |
please refer to original post for what really happened to my tank....
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