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Posted: January 08 2010 at 1:42pm |
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I WAS INFORMED TODAY BY SOMEONE THAT UTAH L/R HAS AN ALARMING AMOUNT OF
COPPER IN IT? THIS GENTLEMAN IS NOT FROM BOARD BUT SAID ITS CRAP KILLS OF CORALS.......
THIS TRUE?
MARK,OTHERS HERE THAT USE HAVE ANSWERS?
WHATS SKINNY................
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 1:50pm |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 1:54pm |
Just stay away from the LR in Bingham canyon 
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 2:22pm |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 2:29pm |
Crap. I better go tell everything in my tank that it should be dead. 
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 2:51pm |
Brandon -
I would not get too worried about it.
Some of the LBTR (Utah Rock) collection sites are near known copper reserves, but the LBTR was formed by a different process during a different geological time period seperate from the formation of the copper veins...
I have several hundred pounds of LBTR in my own setups and have never had a copper issue. There are dozens of people here that have used Utah rock and I have never come across anyone claiming to have any chemical contamination issues (copper or otherwise) verified as caused by the use of LBTR.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 2:56pm |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:00pm |
Well I had to laugh at the thought. Some guy, who isn't even on this site, just tells you that the rock has copper???? Yet hundreds of hobbyists use it, people here use it, and I can tell you that even in research institutions it is used.
I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at whoever told you that but didn't take the time actually back it up with any examples. Some people out there... well... it's too bad they're out there.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:05pm |
Some people have there reasons...either:
a. They sell rock b. They bought overpriced rock and are envious that we here in Utah can get it in our back yards for free.
On another note...is there any way to turn off the "all-caps" on your computer?  |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:06pm |
[QUOTE=BobC63]Brandon -
I would not get too worried about it.
Some of the LBTR (Utah Rock) collection sites are near known copper reserves, but the LBTR was formed by a different process during a different geological time period seperate from the formation of the copper veins...
I have several hundred pounds of LBTR in my own setups and have never had a copper issue. There are dozens of people here that have used Utah rock and I have never come across anyone claiming to have any chemical contamination issues (copper or otherwise) verified as caused by the use of LBTR.
AHHH THERE WE GO,SOMEONE WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE!
BOB Thats all good but has anyone ever tested any?
Of course im not savy on this whole live rock copper thing but Id be lead to believe every rock maybe has some sort of sediment that contains trace amounts right?
The differences between any? See like I know alot of people ive seen heard of or even to my tank will leave my scraper that has metal razor blade on for scraping but then it just rusts and im assuming its bad. I mean in ocean yah no big here, my tank smaller its gotta be bigger deal.
This is one of those deals like i would really would not have thought of unless someone mentioned.
Dang im reading so much everynight.
My next inquiry will be about noise, slamming lids/cabinet/noisy pumps etc hurting fish.
another time.
I can't til mark chimes in
DING DONG
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:13pm |
Adam Blundell wrote:
Well I had to laugh at the thought. Some guy, who isn't even on this site, just tells you that the rock has copper???? Yet hundreds of hobbyists use it, people here use it, and I can tell you that even in research institutions it is used.
I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at whoever told you that but didn't take the time actually back it up with any examples. Some people out there... well... it's too bad they're out there.
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Cool sorry. Im just learning....I hear something and I just wanna freak out. Im setting up a new tank *Edited by Moderators*So I just really want to do it right this time on the first try you know. I worry about metal particles rust or whatever my old *Edited* cleaning guy LEFT IN BACK OF MY TANK TO RUST... Copper is a big deal in Utah so I wouldnt be surprised to find more/heavier traces of it in rock right? So a fish/coral from other side of planet doesnt get affected? That would seem like a yes to me? Thats where you come in
Edited by Will Spencer - January 09 2010 at 8:49pm
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:19pm |
[QUOTE=thefu]Some people have there reasons...either:
a. They sell rock b. They bought overpriced rock and are envious that we here in Utah can get it in our back yards for free.
On another note...is there any way to turn off the "all-caps" on your computer? [/QUOT FREE hahaha I wish, the cool (LOCAL) "honest guy" who sold me this stuff got me for $3.50 a pound.....  sucker born every minute.  . Sorry about caps. I type with eraser so if its been on with alot of writing im not redoing sorry..... I have to type with my whole arm/sucks/makes it hard and painful but at least i can type so im lucky 
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:27pm |
you type pretty Da** fast with an eraser. all caps just makes it hard to read and implies yelling online.
I am sorry that someone got you for $3.50 a pound for uncured dead rock, thats not cool. I am aware of your situation so self collection may not be possible, but even if someone would not just bring you back with some gratis when they go out, at least just paying the gas would be enough.
I personally did not use the rock initially because I bought my rock with my tank as a package deal. I have since picked up a few pieces from a friend to fill in a spot in the tank and it is doing fine.
Copper is not sprinkled throughout all layers of rock throughout the state nor in the LBTR in the concentrations that are to be at all alarmed about. Now, if you go up to Kennecott and grab some random rubble, then I might be a bit more worried.
BTW, how is the sponge doing?
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:32pm |
Brandon -
Just realize that while "dry" LBTR (dead, sterile, never been in a tank) can be collected basically for free (although most of the collection sites are a good hour's drive outside of SLC) and gets sold here for pretty cheap, if you have "live" LBTR that will command a few bucks a lb, especially if there is any coral life (like mushrooms or xenias or zoa frags) on the rock... conventional "live rock" (Figi, Tonga, etc) from an actual LFS (Local Fish Store) retails for anywhere from $4.99 all the way up to 8 or 9 bucks per pound, again depending on type and amount of "life' on the rock...
Oh, and I don't know if anyone local has actually done like lab tests on the LBTR, but many of us have copper test kits for our tanks and the water still tests at "0 / undetectable" (the desired reading) in tanks with LBTR...
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 3:53pm |
GUNDLR wrote:
Adam Blundell wrote:
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HELPFUL, I APPRECIATE YOUR AWESOME INSIGHT!
YOUR A MODERATOR?
I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE A CRACK UP TO YOU BUT AS STATED PRIOR IM NEW TO THIS...
THANKS FOR AZZ SISTANCE
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This is a reply that makes me not want to chime in on your threads. If you are worried about it then you should research it. There are a bunch of posts on here that talk about uses of LBTR. I think Burt has even categorized some of the posts into a helpful research tool. Just look around the site a bit and you'll find a ton of information, which is usually just as easy as typing up a new post. I'd say the majority of people on this board have a little bit of LBTR in their tanks or have had it at some point with no ill effects. I have a mixture of LBTR, tonga and fiji rock, but the majority is LBTR and haven't had any problems with it. I understand being new and being frustrated, but take a deep breath before your post or do a little searching because the information is here for you.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 4:19pm |
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I just had to laugh and that is what I would do if someone told me that it had copper now. But actually I asked the same question when someone told me it had copper, this was before I used it. I'm no geologist but I'm pretty sure this is just a rumor and I've never heard of anyone having a problem. Still I would be careful when selecting LBTR to make sure it doesn't have other rock imbedded in it.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 5:55pm |
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Ive heard it also!!!! From one of the fish stores. I use almost all LBTR and have never had a problem. The rock was tested several years ago. It was analyzed for its core ingredients and copper was not one of them. I dont know if I can find the trhead but for you I will try.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 6:02pm |
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At least one area had a sample analyzed. I would not just use any LBTR looking rock from a site not analyzed.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 6:29pm |
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I also have three tanks with LBTR with no problems. You would never know it was rock from Utah by looking at it. When I first started, I also was told that LBTR was not good for your fish tanks and of course it was by the owner of a fish store who sells live rock from the ocean at $7.99 a pound. With about 300 pounds of rock, not to mention the sand also look at the money I saved. I also had a rock once that had what looked to be rust running throughout so I did not use it. I still have the rock and it is a nice one, makes a good paper weight. I posted a picture years ago. I will see if I can find the picture or maybe take another.
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 9:14pm |
thefu wrote:
you type pretty Da** fast with an eraser. all caps just makes it hard to read and implies yelling online.
I am sorry that someone got you for $3.50 a pound for uncured dead rock, thats not cool. I am aware of your situation so self collection may not be possible, but even if someone would not just bring you back with some gratis when they go out, at least just paying the gas would be enough.
I personally did not use the rock initially because I bought my rock with my tank as a package deal. I have since picked up a few pieces from a friend to fill in a spot in the tank and it is doing fine.
Copper is not sprinkled throughout all layers of rock throughout the state nor in the LBTR in the concentrations that are to be at all alarmed about. Now, if you go up to Kennecott and grab some random rubble, then I might be a bit more worried.
BTW, how is the sponge doing? |
ohh man im so bummed. that sponge was so pretty bright blue. It fell and im not sure where it went into back somewhere but for now i cant see.. *Edited* i hope its not lost forever. Is it true it doesnt need direct sun james said?
Edited by Will Spencer - January 09 2010 at 8:51pm
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