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Topic: Feeding your Anemone? Posted: April 06 2004 at 10:56am |
I have a sebae anemone. It has been in the tank for 2 weeks. It has changed locations four times and seems to be content with his last move. I have tried to spot feed it squid and shrimp but it simply just lets it go. At times he is as big as 8" in diameter and as small as 3". I assume this is normal. I am looking for as much information about these guys as possible to make him happy. How do you feed and care for yours?
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 11:07am |
Our BTA will occasionally feed, but not regularly. Sometimes it hangs on to food and sometimes it doesn't. Usually we feed our BTA and Ritteri frozen table shrimp (thawed of course). I am not quite sure what the latin name of the shrimp is though.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 12:18pm |
Heteractis crispa (sebae anemone) Is found in the wild in sediments with only their oral disk showing. So i woi=uld try and recreate this by placing him/her at the base of a rock on the substrate. Then as far as feeding I would keep and eye on it after feeding to see if it egests. Egestion comes from udigestable foods. foods such as whole fish may completely utilized by the anemone (bones and all) which will result in 'no' egestion which in my opinion is the best you can get right. Foods like shrimp contain chitin, (which is indigestable) which will result in egestion and then you'll have nasty floaters in your tank which you will have to manually remove. so I would try feeding him various types of fish and see which of these produce the least or no egestion and continue with that.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 5:44pm |
Someone please set me straight if I'm off base here, but feeding is not the key to keeping any anemone happy. If that were the case anemones would have been common in aquariums 20 years ago, instead of just recently finding a place in the modern, biologically balanced reef aquarium.
Water conditions, lighting and circulation are paramount.
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Posted: April 06 2004 at 11:15pm |
Yes mark, you are correct and I was not in any way trying to disregard those aspects. I assumed that those parameters where already considered adn jumped ahead to some more uncommon understandings as you might put it. In my experience, most people who keep anemone's already knew those parameters before getting an anemone or would soon learn very quickly. I was trying to keep the post short and inform on more unknown aspects of anemone husbandry. For example, most people don't know that adult Stichodctyla haddoni (carpet anemone) live buried in the sand and stichodctyla mertensii and Entacmea quadricolor (bubble tip anemones) live in crevies or holes with only their tentacles showing. The majority of people will try and try to stick them on a piece of rock, set the water, lighting, and current and expect them to be happy. when even in our modern aquariums they still aren't happy or are short lived. Those parameters are probably the most important and you can probably keep an anemone alive for awhile but I was just jumping the gun and trying to help out in areas that may not be as well known to most aquarists.
The main point I was trying to point out in my first post was that shrimp may not always the best food to feed an anemone. Since shrimp is not something they normally eat in the wild, a lot will not even recognize it as food plus they have a harder time digesting it.
Some other little notes about anemones which some will know and some will not. Host anemones are not friendly creatures. They do not have a nervous system so they not will learn to adapt to 'tank hood' (So ever attempt must be made to replicate the wild). They will sooner or later go for a stroll around the tank and leave a path of destruction behind them. They might sit for only two minutes or two years. Sooner or later they will go walking. So I wouldn't recommend to anyone to keep them in a reef or with other host anemones. Only one per tank. For every anemone that is taken out of the wild a clown will most likely die. And for every clown that is taken out of the wild an anemone will most likely die. As that you will almost never see one without the other in the wild. I wish you the best luck in your anemone upkeep and If you wish for further detailed info I would recommend 'Host Sea Anemone Secrets' by Dr. Ron Shimek. Its a quick, light read that I think you'll find enjoyable.....Sorry about the length, I got type happy.![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 7:05am |
Fishfriends,
I like the points you made. There are some very resposible reef keepers that we know in our club, who are way against buying anemones. I applaud them for there efforts. It is funny to me, because in a another topic going on here on this board it was just suggest that someone buy an anemone for their perc to save it from being harassed. However, many people would say "let the fish get harassed and die, you will save dozens more by doing so". They (and you) are probably right.
Oh yah, you are also right that anemones are not friendly creatures. Mine is a fish killing machine!
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 8:49am |
Thanks for the comments guys. Great input, I've learned a few new things. I believe my anemone is the typical tank raised type - bleached white with the purple tips. I have read that these are actually a brown color in the wild. I would like to get mine back to it's natural coloration. Time will tell.
fishfreinds said: Heteractis crispa (sebae anemone) Is found in the wild in sediments with only their oral disk showing. So i woi=uld try and recreate this by placing him/her at the base of a rock on the substrate.
My anemone is happiest in this spot described by fishfreinds. If you look closely - you can see some of the egestion in the center.
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 9:14am |
Well, I can only speak about my Entacmea quadricolors (Bubble tip anemones).
In my tank these anemones can't be killed, don't require any direct feeding,
have never moved (except stretching towards the light and to adjacent rocks
after dividing) and are quite friendly to non-anemone fish that brush their tentacles
often...
They also grow and split like weeds (second only to Xenia ). I started out with 1 about 5 years
ago and now have 4 in my 75 gallon tank. I've sold or given away another
5. The only negative for me is the distant placement of other corals
around them and being able to remove the rocks they attach to when I want to take
one out of the tank.
My Premnas biaculeatus (Maroon anemone fish) pair love and visit each one of
them every several minutes. I can't imagine not having an anemone in my reef
tank...
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 10:21am |
fishfriends wrote:
they still aren't happy or are short lived. ... and you can probably keep an anemone alive for awhile |
I will somewhat agree in that anemones are said to live for a hundred years in the wild and not many hobbiests will be around for that long. So, this brings up a couple questions. 1) Who tagged an anemone to see how long it really lived in the wild? How do we know that they have lived that long? 2) Who's to say that the home aquarist cannot do the same? Has anyone been in the hobby for a hundred years? With the technology and methods available rather recently, it is possible that the hobbiest will actually be able to save endangered species by repopulating from their tanks. Case in point, nepthia. Also, how can you tell wether an anemone is happy or unhappy? By a healthy appearance I believe. But if captivity isn't suitable for anemones, wouldn't that go for all marine life? After all, they are all out of their natural environment. But, my fish seem to appreciate it a bit and appear rather content. Perhaps if Mr. Limpett were around he could ask them.
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They will sooner or later go for a stroll around the tank and leave a path of destruction behind them. They might sit for only two minutes or two years. Sooner or later they will go walking. So I wouldn't recommend to anyone to keep them in a reef or with other host anemones. Only one per tank. For every anemone that is taken out of the wild a clown will most likely die. And for every clown that is taken out of the wild an anemone will most likely die. |
Pretty strong opinion, which you are entitled to by all means. I also agree to some degree that multible anemones may not be a great idea, but usually only if they are competetive in the wild. For example, I have seen BTA's get along quite well. I have also seen anemone without hosting anemonefish that are doing just fine and visa versa. In captivity it appears that, although they may become symbiotic if they feel the urge, the need to establish that relationship is gone. They can survive indepentant of each other due to the lack of natural predation. As for a trail of destruction, that would be a relative term. Most corals will survive an attack of it's a "walk by". If it does become a territorial attack, well the outcome might become different but from what I understand it would be to chemical producing specemin. Jake, can you comment?
Good discussion!
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 3:26pm |
As far as anemones living to a hundred years, you bring up some good points. I would imagine that tagging an anemone would prove to be difficult, especially a hundred years ago. It's either true or false though, right. So if it is true than its got to be documented somewhere and with enough research I am sure we could find the answer. if its false it can go into the huge pile of myths that surrounds the aquarium hobby. And 'yes' I do think that with the right technology and understanding you could keep an anemone alive and reproducing as it would in the wild. And ultimately help save an endangered species. I'm am %100 for that. hmm, thats why we are all here at the WMAS isn't it or atleast I hope we are.... I also don't recall me posting that aquariums as a whole were unsuitable for anemones...hang on let me check......nope not in there. I was saying that most aquarists (and, no the WMAS is not most aquarists but rather a tiny fraction of them) Slam them in their tank, check the water levels, check the lights, and set the current with little or no other research. Sad but true. Which most of the time results in an unhappy anemone or a short lived one. Allow me to further clarify, yes the aquarium is suitable as long as it is done right. If your anemones are happy, which you are correct in saying its pretty much visual, then press on and more power to ya.
yes, I too have seen 'host anemones' get along. I have also seen an ocelleris clown get along with a volitan lion fish. I just wouldn't recommend it thats all. And yes host anemones get along great without a clown and vis versa. I have a breeding pair of perculas that don't have a host. Not a deal at all in the aquarium or controlled environment but I think there was a 'wild' in my previous post... oh yep, that ones there too. I have never seen a host anemone clownless in the 'wild', and I don't know anybody who has. If you have, then you are the first that I know of. Granted I don't know a lot of people though.
I am not trying to argue or sound like I am arguing I was just trying to clear up some possible misunderstandings. I do support aquarium husbandry and reproduction of anemones, fish, corals, inverts so on and so forth. I just am a little concerned at what it takes to get to that point where we can save a species. In example I've killed off six host anemones (and I'm truely sorry for it) before I pulled my head out my butt and did some research. I since have maintained and grown a beautiful sebae which has been in my possession for four years now. So I've still got to make up for atleast twelve now. The six I killed and six more to replace the holes in the ocean that those six came from. It's gonna take me awhile but I gonna try. I might be right in saying that most people would say oops, oh well, the ones still in the ocean can just have more babies. Maybe I just care to much I dunno.
Quick note i forgot to mention. The 'path of destruction' was probably some strong words to use. And all anemones do not have the same potent level of venom. A sebae could float, fly, walk, run, drift or whatever you want to call it with no adverse affects. I just happened to have a purple tube anemone once that let go and killed off 2 hammer corals, killed half of a plate coral and one bubble coral. I still have the skeletons if you'd like them. To some of you that may not seem like a lot, but to me it was a 'path of destruction'.
Thank you guys for your time its been a great discussion so far.
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 4:52pm |
fishfriends you have alot of information with anemones and could teach us all alot about them. When I read your post it gave me the impression you were upset or defensive which IMO degrades the appearance of the informer sentences like ...hang on let me check.. nope not in there... just start argues and undermine your attempts of persuasion.
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 6:23pm |
I did not want to come off as arguing. Please accept my apologies. i spend most of my time reading rather than typing so I am not very good at it. Once again. i am sorry if it came across that way. i will try and select my wording a little more carefully next time. Thank you.
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 7:02pm |
No mortal I have ever met, has all the right answers. It seems to me that Fishfriends has a lot of good answers though. As one who has tried hard to be persuasive and subsequently failed, I just want to say thanks for the discussion. It was informative and enlightening.
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 9:04pm |
Mark Peterson wrote:
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Mark, just curious... ![](smileys/smiley24.gif) ... Just how many Immortals have you met?
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Posted: April 07 2004 at 9:07pm |
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No apology necessary. Good points and thank you for the clarifications. I apparently misunderstood a few criticals. But one must admit, there was a significant amount of information and opinion to digest. Thank you for the discussion, it appears that we are all pretty much on the same track.
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Posted: April 08 2004 at 2:35pm |
Fishfriends, thank you for your posts. It is apparent that you have done your homework on anemones. These are some of the most substantive posts on anemones that have read and they clarified several points I have been wondering about.
You recomended Dr. Shiemeks book. Is there any other reading on anemones you would suggest?
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