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    Posted: June 09 2006 at 9:52pm
Well .. I just bought a refractometer and found out that my SG is at 1.020 Angry ... my hydrometer was telling me that it was 1.024 ... Ouch ...
 
Just a warning people .. you may want to check them hydrometers out!
 
Makes me wonder what my SG was when it read 1.022 ......................


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If you are using a hydrometer test it against a refractometer to see how far off it is so at least you have a better idea of how much off the hydrometer is off.  Also with the needle hydrometers make sure you don't have any bubbles on the needle.
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I had a hydrometer that was reading 1.022, but when I bought a refractometer, I found that my tank was at 1.030!  Shocked  Yep, they can be off.  I do think that they are consistent, though.

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IME the temp will aslo greatly affect a hydrometer. JME with the ones I've tried. 
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I test for that rarely.  Maybee once a month.  I just always make sure that when i do water changes, I take out 5 gallons and put 5 gallons with five 1/2 cups of salt.  The key is.  To test your water change water and with that ratio, you should be @ 1.024.  And i know if it is off I go have it calibrated or replace it with another $10 unit.  I kinda stay away from the $100 test unitsWink Hope this helps.  Could save you money in the long run.

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I think that after finding a hydrometer to be off that much that I want the peace of mind a refractometer gives.  However, refractometers need to be calibrated every so often.  I think Mark P. has a link to a reefkeeping.com article about calibrating hydrometers and refractometers.
 
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It is very easy to make a calibration standard for hydrometers or refractometers (the standards are made differently!) using ordinary table salt and is explained here:  http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-06/rhf/index.php.  I found that one of my "box" hydrometers was off by 0.002 sg while the other was right on.  I still use them both, but I marked where the true 35 ppt is on the one that is off.
 
I love gadgets probably more then the average hobbyist, but I've never been able to bring myself to buy a refrac because my box hydrometers are accurate, cheap and easy... everything I like in a gadget.
 
Temperature will greatly effect the "floating bob" type hydrometer so if you're using this type it would probably be worthwhile to understand how much of an effect is occurring.  The "box" type hydrometer is not really effected by normal reef tank temperatures ime.
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Make sure your refractometer is calibrated.  If it just came in the mail there is a good possibility that is could be way off.
 
Refractometers are awesome, but please calibrate often.
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To echo Jake's comments... you should check your refrac at zero (RO water) and at some known salinity using a standard such as the one referenced above.
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Steve, I thought we calibrated your Hydrometer when I was there helping with your move? Anyway, it's very odd that the Hydrometer was reading high. Typically, because of calcium deposits on the needle, they read low. That is - the reading shows 1.024 when the actual salinity is more like 1.026.
 
If after calibrating the Refractometer, the salinity in the tank is indeed low. There is no need to be Angry. It doesn't matter one bit that your salinity was 1.020. If you see any difference in the tank when you raise it gradually over a day to 1.024, I'll be very surprised.
 
Okay, since a Refractometer needs to be calibrated and a Hydrometer needs to be calibrated, and by doing so, each one is accurate, why spend $60+ when $10 will do?Confused
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Steve, I thought we calibrated your Hydrometer when I was there helping with your move?
 
We did however I found something interesting about that .... I used my fingers to put water on the lens ... this will show you a higher SG do the the salt on your fingers ... for example ... I put water on the lens with the pipette .. it read 1.020 .. when I put water on it with my finger it read 1.023 ....
 
Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Okay, since a Refractometer needs to be calibrated and a Hydrometer needs to be calibrated, and by doing so, each one is accurate, why spend $60+ when $10 will do?Confused
 
Well .. 1 reason is they are more accurate than the swing arms ... being you can calibrate them with RO water when ever you want ... and 2 .. they are cool LOL
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Ahh, that explains why they call you Mr. Salty Fingers.LOL
 
Also, the residue of salt on the window of the refractometer from a test made a half hour or more previous, always causes the next reading to be ~.005 higher, so at work, rather than do a second finger drip, I simply adjust my reported number down by that amount. After all, it's the general range of 1.022 to 1.026 we are shooting for, not an exact number.
 
Gadgets are cool. I'm surprised that Jon hasn't made a DIY refractometer.Shocked
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I think my son has a prism in his science set from Christmas... hmm. LOL

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I bought my refractometer for $45 on special.  Great deal.  Yeah, the $10 hydrometer will work, but be careful to never drop it- I think that's what happened to mine.
 
If you use a refractometer, as with other instruments, some care is required IMHO.  Rinsing & drying the prism (and the dropper) seems to help cut down on salt residue.  Using a dropper for putting SW on the prism the same way every time will help with accuracy.  IMHO, care seems to be common sense.
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Originally posted by Corwando Corwando wrote:

my refractometer, ...be careful to never drop it-
 
Good advice.LOL
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I had a friend trust his hydrometer and lost everything in his tank except for fishes.  This included a frogspawn the size of a basketball.
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A wrench can be a problem in the hands of someone who does not know how to use it.
 
Hydrometers must be kept clean by rinsing in freshwater frequently and soaking in vinegar every few months.
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Okay so I think you guys are all crazy.  I think hydrometers are more accurate than refractometers.  I'm testing it...
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