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    Posted: March 21 2006 at 3:05pm

A few months ago Mark was here and I was showing him a ceramic nativity set I have made during one of my short term hobbies.  He asked me if this was a short term hobby.

It seems that there are a lot of people coming and going.  What's the average stay in the hobby?  Why do they get out?

I love my tanks but they are a PITA.  Water changes, moving things around, can't leave without a babysitter, chemical tests, big time coral SPS dying, floods, electric bills - you name it.  When I try to think which tank to get rid of, I like each one for a different reason so can't choose.

What's your opinion

 

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I think it's subjective - some ppl get into the hobby and never leave and some are complete opposites.

For me I've always loved fish keeping - but I did leave the scene for years and returned w/ more passion for it.

Plus it helps that we have a tiny community who we can get support fr. 
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I'm in my third decade....I think of it more as a passion than a hobby.

Are you thinking of selling me your stuff?

 

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I just try not to think about all the negatives, i.e. water changes, floods, crashes, things dying, going on vacation, etc.  Whenever I think of coming home and finding the tank busted with dead fish all over the floor, I end up only thinking about it for a few minutes.  But then think of all the cool stuff and how many hours a day you spend thinking about that.  How often do you think about the next coral you want to get, or that sweet coral you couldn't afford at the LFS (you may not know what that's like, but I sure do), or simply when you are just sitting in front at the tank and seeing all the awesome stuff you have in there.  I think for most the goods out way the bads, unless your Keodog.  (Sorry man).
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It seems that there are a lot of people coming and going.  What's the average stay in the hobby?  Why do they get out?

It is either 9 months or two years.  I can't remember now.  One is average length a hobbyist has tanks, the other is average length a pet store stays in business. 
For our club, we have a 50% turnover every year.

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I'm about to hit two years.  That must be it.  I"m not ready to throw in the towel - I just need more than 24 hours in my days.

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Originally posted by smatney smatney wrote:

I just need more than 24 hours in my days.

I can sure relate to that.



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We ask at the start of each meeting who is there for the first time. Without fail, we have 5-10 people raise their hands - yet, our total number of people at the meeting hovers around 90.

There are a few of us who have been around forever, but I think most are in and out in 2 years.

Two intersting examples to consider:
LostCause - had miserable success rates, spent lots of money, lost interest, sold out

CoreyK - had phenomenal success rates, spent lots of money, "mastered" the hobby, lost interest, sold out
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it's an expensive and frustrating hobby.  I downgraded but still keep trying.  I'm good at growing bacteria and algae but SPS give me greif.  I think 2 years would be the average stay.  as the 9 months for a fish store that sounds realistic as 70% of all new utah businesses go bankrupt their first year.  90% within 5.  And there isn't a huge amount of money in the LFS business.  I think Randy at MSM found the most economical way of doing it.  Although many on this post don't like him.  (with reason)
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Ive been in the hobby for just over three years now. I'll hopefully be selling my tanks in about a year
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Originally posted by smatney smatney wrote:

I'm about to hit two years.  That must be it.  I"m not ready to throw in the towel - I just need more than 24 hours in my days.

I've been in the hobby since I was 12 (even younger if you count freshwater).  I really have ups and downs.  I think the key is to maintaining a balance between your life and your aquariums.  Two weeks out of every year I am down at Lake Powell (one week in the beginning for the summer and one at the end).  I don't have a "baby sitter", I don't worry about my tank.  I think you need to get you aquarium to the point where you could leave it (at least for a couple of days) without worrying about it.  Maybe that means less fish, different overflow systems, more or less automation, different filtration, etc.  The key is to enjoy your aquarium and not feel like a slave to it.

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Here here.
I can leave my tank for two days without problems now.
A week though, I would have to get a sitter.
I have a cat so I just let the cat feed the fish, os is it the fish feed the cat, hmm, I can't remember, I'll have to ask the cat

Anyway, I was in fresh for 2 years and then went to salt for 2, I got out while I built my house and have now been back in for 3.
I do it for a relaxing hobby. (Yes it is relaxing)
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By the way the quick turnover thing is very frustrating to people like me.  I (like most who've been here a while) just get tired of the same old questions.  Hey Mark tell me about sand, Hey Jon how do I fix my alkalinty, I have a 55 gal what kind of lights should I buy....
It is also frustrating to try and help people, when you can see from miles away that some people won't be here next year.  Take a look at our forum memberlist at the top of this page.  Sort by number of posts and you'll realize that a ton of people you used to know are no longer here.

To answer your question, as depressing as this will sound... It is a short term hobby.

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So your saying Adam, That there is hope for this addiction? You can get out if you seek help...

Like alcohol addiction, if I gave this up also, I would really have way too much time on my hands.

I would have no use for my computer also. I guess I could talk to my dog....

Oh wait,  I already do that!!

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I've been in for over two years, almost three (june makes three), and don't see my self going anywhere soon.  I got into this hobby becuase I always wanted to.  I love diy, and figuring out how to make life easier as far as my tank is concerned. 

However I do need to sit back and take a break now and again to remind myself that I am enjoying the tank too.  I just pulled down my 29, but am working on a 75 that will come soon (but is frustrating me due to $$$ constraints...) so it's an up and down ride.
Was that in there yesterday? Casper--WY windier than ?

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I have been doing saltwater for about 3 years.  Almost two of them have been reef tanks.  Before that, I did freshwater for MANY years.  I think it comes down to WHY! 

Are you into it just for a hobby?  If so, then it will become tiring and you will leave the hobby.  You might come back, but it will always be an up/down type of thing.  Anyway, that is the way MY hobbies go.

I do it for two reasons...one IS the hobby side, but realistically, I do it because I use the tank as decor for my house.  You don't really take the pictures down from your walls.  You might swap them out, but you usually ALWAYS have "decorations".  My tank is a decoration.  That might be bad, but I take good care of the lives in it, so I don't care.  I see myself in this hobby for a LONG time.

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9 1/2 years for me, the sad part is it keeps getting worse. I hope to have around 800 g. of saltwater running through out my house in about 1 maybe two months. I'm not sure if my wife hates me or my hobby. It might be both
I swear dear, I didnt buy any more corals, they just multiplied!

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I have a few longer-than-short-term hobbies, but my tank has trumped them.  I'm even selling out of one of them- no time, and the interest left years ago.

Hopefully I last beyond the two year mark, which is coming soon!  I think that you have to plan on the long-term commitment, which is what I did. I noticed that most tank of the month entries are beyond two years old, and I would have to say that it takes a long time to get a tank looking good. 

Susan, you could look into ways of minimizing your risk for floods, etc.  Simplify your chores.  Don't make it soo hard and time-consuming.

I spend five to ten minutes a day or less on maintenance and feeding.  I do water changes every second to third week, keep them small, and just test calcium & alk every week or two weeks.  Salinity stays pretty constant with auto-top-off, and I let the coral tell me of other chemistry issues. The remainder is just spent enjoying the tank.  In other words, like all other things in life, don't do so much that you burn out.  Relax.

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    I've gone through a lot of short-lived hobbies: RC Planes, Bonsai, GeoCaching, sketching/painting, um does keeping fit qualify as a hobby 'cause I've dropped that too.  :)  But in a couple weeks I'll be passing the 4 year mark and I'm not quitting any time soon.  I started with a 150g reef tank.  It's had its share of problems, and I've spent a lot of money on it, but it's still my main tank and it's on it's way to looking really good again.  I think what had kept me going is the fact that I waited until I could afford it, and I love the ocean.  I gre up around scuba, been certified since the 80's, lived in Key West for 5 years...  I can't get enough of it!  So, I have little parts of it around my house and any effort needed to keep them going is worth it.

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I hope this isn't a short term hobby for me...  I started my first salt water tank last March (1 year now!) for a hobby...  I have upgraded tanks, learned a ton and my biggest fascination is what will happen next.  Yes, some things don't do well, but other unexpected things flourish.  I have never been very good at patience.. so I take pictures every couple of months so I can look back and see the changes if I get discouraged. 
 
I am finally getting to the point that I can see a beautiful ecosystem emerging.  Yup, want a small tank for my little frags that get stomped in my big tank...  and yup, trying to convince my boss to put an enormous tank in the reception area of our new building... 

I do travel a lot and finding someone to mind the tank is a stress... but I could buy a new skimmer that doesn't need to be tuned and sort out an auto top off system and my tank would be fine.  That is on the list of things to do...

For now... I think I will just go stare at the wonderful things in the tank and be glad that I had the patience to come this far... and hope I have the patience to eventually have a tank like Dion or tileman.. 

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