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    Posted: February 05 2006 at 12:13am

I just got a phosphate test kit (because of my disintegrating zoos) and my phosphates are 1.0 ppm.  Since I don't know anything about high phosphates, I don't know what the next step is.  There were so many different options at the store that I didn't know what to get.  Any recommendations?  I'll do a large water change tomorrow, but I assume there is something else I can do short-term and long-term to get the phosphates down.  Also, shouldn't I have bad algae growth all over my tank if my phosphates are high?  My tank, for the most part, is completely free of unwanted algae.

Just so you know, getting a phosphate reactor isn't an option because I don't have the space.  And no, I don't have a protein skimmer.

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Well, You answered all of my suggestions that came to my mind before you finished writing.

If you dont have, or want a skimmer, I would reconsider.

Weekly waterchanges sounds like your only option.

Do you have a refugium?

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Also,  cut down on the amount that you feed.  Do you have a high fish load?
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What about temperaly running a phosphate reactor even hanging off the front of your tank? they are not very expensive and once you get your phosphates under control you could take it off.
Are you using ro water?
Also do you feed to much?
large water changes ( using ro water) will help
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Yes I have a refugium, it's only 10 gallons.  (My tank is 38 gallons.)  Yes I feed too much;  Yes I use RO water; and no, I don't have a high fish load (5 fish).  I do a 10% water change every week. 

The phosphate reactor hanging off the front is not a bad idea.  Bird world has them for sale for $50, is that a good price?  What about phosphate sponge?

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It costs 32 bucks from this place

http://www.customaquatic.com/customaquatic/brandsubcategor y.asp?brandID=TL&subcatID=fi-pb


Even with shipping, it is still 10 bucks cheaper.  If you wanna buy the phosphate absorbing media from them as well, you'll save much more on shipping.  I ordered from them before without any problems.
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dkle, they seem to have great prices, but I couldn't find a phosphate reactor. 
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Amie, I searched for 'phosphate reactor' on their site and found the Kent marine one for 34.99 and the part number is FI-KMPR1
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Originally posted by WhiteReef WhiteReef wrote:

Amie, I searched for 'phosphate reactor' on their site and found the Kent marine one for 34.99 and the part number is FI-KMPR1

Found it, thanks.

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Marine depot has a similar product, but a different vendor, and the same price.  One nice thing is that it has a photo of it.

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=TL4311

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A phosphate reactor is a totally uneccessary piece of equipment. Honestly, truly, no kidding. Don't be led into the hype of buying another piece of equipment.

Using Phosphate remover (Activated Alumina, AA) is no different than using Activated Carbon (AC). Place it in a floss bag in an area of flow (near the return pump) and let it do it's job. Honestly, the ability of AC and AA to pull molecules out of the water is very good without keeping it in a fancy tube which requires another powerhead/piece of equipment.

And to further clarify my point, Tulle/Bridal Viel fabric makes a most excellent floss bag. Pour some AC or AA on a square of fabric, bunch it up and put an elastic around it. Rinse it in a small bucket of RO water and voila'

AA should be removed when it turns a dark tan color. Do not run AA after phosphates are reduced.

I can get AA for real cheap. I have some for Amie.



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A phosphate reactor is a totally uneccessary piece of equipment.

I'm starting to think they are quite nice to have.  I'm planning to add one to my tank in June.

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I agree they are nice, but still practically unecessary, especially for a small tank like Amie's where 1/4 lb. of AA in a Tulle bag will work so well.

The important thing about AA is that it should Never be run continuously. Periodically/sporadically is all that is necessary and IMHO, wise.

I found out Thursday that ShaneH may not have needed a PO4 Reactor if he had done more water changes! A bag of AA goes a long way. If one uses a skimmer (or clams) the PO4 is less of a problem. I could go on...

I wonder why Suzy hasn't jumped in here suggesting more Nitrogen to help the Macroalgae remove PO4. Suzy?

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Mark and Adam, it's about time you jumped in.  

Activated Alumina sure sounds a lot easier than a reactor.  Is that the same as Ken'ts Phosphate Sponge?  Because that stuff was pretty expensive.  I assume there must be some kind of generic stuff, right?  Is it something that you can buy at the science store in Centerville? 

Just when I think I'm getting a little comfortable with my tank, something else sneeks up and bites me in the butt.  So what else am I missing that no one told me about?  hydrogen reactor?  uranium skimmer?  proton dehydrator?  adamantine defiibrolator?

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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=2>A phosphate reactor is a totally uneccessary piece of equipment. Honestly, truly, no kidding. Don't be led into the hype of buying another piece of equipment.



Mark I have to disagree with you. I tryed running my phosphate media in a bag. Once I added my phosphate reactor I notice a major differance in how well some of my corals were doing. They are also very reasonalbe priced. I am sold and not due to hype.
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Amie,

Just this last Saturday I took my water in to the LFS to have it tested.  My phosphates were also at 1.0. 

I got a bottle of Seachem Phosguard and put it in a small bag and stuck it in the water that flows out of my skimmer area into my return area of my sump.  In two days it has dropped it down  to nearly .2!  It says it takes 4 days to bring it down, which seems about right.

Anyway, the bottle was $20.00, but it is a big bottle and it only takes about 1 cup to do the trick.  I also bought a phosphate test kit so I can stay on top of it.  Seems like the best way to me, especially over an expensive phosphate reactor.

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If you buy a reactor, what do you have to buy in addition to that?  Do you still have to add Activated Alumina to it?
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The ones that I found require at least the medium (AA) and a pump.  Some also will require 1/2" tubing to attach the pump to the reactor in addition to the items I just listed.
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The reactors are for the granulated iron hydroxide media.  This is the brown "coffee grain" looking media, not the white activated alumina media.  Iron hydroxide has shown a tendency to clump if not fluidized.  The clumping causes channeling through the bed and poor utilization of said media.  The reactor keeps the media fluidized allowing full utilization of the media.

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And from what I have seen and read, Iron Hydroxide is extremely effective and much more expensive. It's that last part that keeps me using AA.  It has worked successfully for me  as I help people battle algae problems.
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