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Posted: February 27 2008 at 9:48am |
I have 2 reef tanks (55g and 60g) that I treat the same as far as water, chemical, etc. One is full of fish and doing fine - the other kills them quick.
Starting back in November I had a slow wipe out of all my fish cloudy eyes, white stuff all over and moddled skin. I have since treated with PraziPro, Ruby Reef Rally (which seems to work until I stop using it) and leaving it without fish for over 30 days. Fish continue to die in this tank. I had 4 (clown, Klein's butterfly, 2 chromis). They lasted less than 2 weeks and all died one night.
My water tests out and all my coral are doing SUPERB. Never better... Recently I waited the 30 days to put a couple of chromis in (my canary in the coal mine) and after one day one was dead I quick treated with Rally and the other is still living (2 days now)
Somebody at The Aquarium suggested a UV sterilizer. But then I started reading (big mistake) and there was controversial info out there on it. Not for reefs - kills the bad and the good, etc. etc.
Does anybody have any thoughts on UV Sterilizers or anything else I can try? Or any ideas you might have? Discouraged fish murderer.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:11am |
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sounds like your fish have had a huge outbreak of ich. UV sterilizers are perfectly fine to run IMO. if you leave it fishless for 6 weeks your tank will be ich free. the problem is if you add a fish in that has ich it will just reintrotuce itself. also. do you runa skimmer on this tank and what kind of wateflow do you have
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:39am |
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OMG am i gonna have same problem? i have 2 clowns and a dragon goby. the 2 clowns have what looks to be some sort of cotton ball thingy's all over there bodies. the one clown had it on his mouth and it must have got rubbed off or something but now it looks like his mouth melted off. the dragon goby is doing fine i cant find any signs of it anywhere except on the clowns but its been a couple weeks now. help? BTW not trying to steal post just want to join with similar problems
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:53am |
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Thanks to you both. And yes - better get on the white dots asap. I did treat with kick ich and have had ich before but this sure seemed different. The first time I am guessing that is what - but after that they don't show signs at death of this. Would they die that fast? Also on the not having a host for six weeks theory - can a clam be a host? Or does it have to be a fish? THANKS
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:59am |
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Oh and - waterflow was not as it should be. Just added another Koralia to kick it up. Don't have a skimmer on either tank and have never had problems. Nitrates, ammonia and phosphates zero.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:07am |
If I was going to let a tank sit to kill off the ick i would let it sit for 3 months. That being said Ick is in every tank. The fishes health is what determines if it gets it or not. I would say that there is something out of whack in the tank that has multiple outbreaks. Water parameters (that we test)9 may be fine but there still can be issues related to temp flux, Crap leaching out of the rock work, UV issues from lights, Problems with the filtration system, stray electricity, etc etc etc. All of these can stress the fish out and open them up to an ick infestation.
UV is great in my opinion. I run it on both of my big systems and have been playing with ozone. Both of these will kill the ick bug. Controversy? As much as 2 people can have differing opinions.
What is going on in your system can be completely different than what is going on in someone else's. It might not be ick at all but a fungi infection. Treated with antibiotics in a quarantine tank can clear it up. Again UV can be of a great help but not a cure all.
Fishman, Yours is a fungus for sure. Left untreated it will kill your fish.
Couple of natural treatments are, garlic, cleaner shrimp and neon gobies. (gobies will catch ick as well if the underlying problem isn't found and fixed.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:09am |
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Thanks. I appreciate the thoughtful advice.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 12:09pm |
What Dion said.
fishman90g, one of my clowns looked like this so I meth. blue fresh water dipped and returned him to the tank and he has not shown signs of it for months. Just make sure the ph and temp. are the same as the tank if you are going to fresh water dip. Clowns seem to handle fresh water dips very well, they can stay in up to 15 minutes.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 12:24pm |
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yes it definetly could be a fungal infection also. either way a meth. blue dip before being added to the tank is definetly helpful
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 1:59pm |
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I had a clown that had the white cotton ball thing starting to take over as well. I was told it wasn't ich because the clown lived with it for weeks. The fish didn't act different and kept eating and swimming around great. Eventually the spots just went away and now the clown in healthy. I could be wrong but I swear the spots were GONE like 2 days after adding a cleaner shrimp.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:16pm |
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what kind of cleaner shrimp should i get? a peppermint? and as far as the blue dip method goes, how in the world am i supposed to get them both out without first pulling all the rock out? also as far as a quarantine tank goes....the only thing i have close to that is a blue tub i used to cure live rock until a powerhead went astray and shot out almost all the water. all the rubble and sand hand been covered with water but has not been running for almost a month and i just got it started back up yesterday i have'nt had a chance to check parameters on it yet but am thinking of seeding it with some sand out of my display? would that work? i know they are very hardy, the clownfish that is but with all this going on could they ossibly survive? i dont want to lose either of them because they immediately moved into the BTA after introduction
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:17pm |
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thank you shroom for letting me share with you i hope we both have very similar problems going on right now. if not i will start my own and let everyone advise you accordingly
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:17pm |
You'd have to get a cleaner shrimp if you are hoping for a shrimp to clean it up 
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:24pm |
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No worries fishman! It's all good info. post away
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:28pm |
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how many cleaners should i get? does it depend on tank size or # of fish? they are'nt flippin cheap i have store credit at aquatica but dang dude $20/shrimp pretty spendy
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:32pm |
For cleaner shrimp I would say the skunk are best. They are 5 times as costly but worth it. Get two of them and they will feed your tank with babies.
It was a pain to get my clown out, I chased it around the tank for about 45 minutes before I got it. You might try to wait until lights out and then use a spot light to stun it and net it. Sometimes that works.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:38pm |
oh yeah i heard about that ive never seen it done but Bbeck4x4told me he had to do it to get a clown out of his display a while back. so what do i do after i get him out drop him in a bucket of ro water? how do i get the ph up to 8.2? i think it is at around 7 or so until i add salt mix to it. and how long do i leave him in there? also what about shrooms tank? that is weird that it stays in there that long without a host no? could it be hosting something else like a hermit or snail? maybe a clam like he said?
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 2:52pm |
You need a buffer for the RO water. I buffer my top off water. When I want to do a fresh water dip I just put some of my top off water in a bowl and let the bowl float to get to temp.
shroom's problem is a bit different. shroom should use a fresh water dip as well but maybe just running that system without fish for 3 months would be best.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 3:05pm |
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if it is a fungal infection wouldnt it affect all my fish? why only the clowns? what type of buffer should i use? i have success calk is that a good buffer?
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 5:27pm |
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I use Seachem ph buffer. It is different then their alk additive. I don't know what success calk is.
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