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    Posted: March 09 2004 at 11:47am
My tank is about a month old and now has no ammonia or nitrites and very low nitrates two PC lights I have 3 various damsels 2 chromis 7 hermits and 12 turbo's I am having a problem with this red algae or bacteria it doesn't like water movement and grows like mad all over my tank except where the snails go they won't go in the sand so it's all over the sand.  I tried a powerhead but it just blew my sand around and grew the red stuff everywhere else does anyone know any good methods to removing this stuff I have done water changes and am trying not to overfeed but the stuff won't go away.  here's a pic for yall.
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It looks like Cyano bacteria to me. I had a bad case of this a while ago. It usually appears because you have a lot of excess nutrients in your system due to overfeeding or something like that.

There are really a couple of ways to do get rid of it. 1st there is a chemical that will kill it but I wouldn't recommend it. It wipes out the cyano but when I used it, it ended up comming right back and from what I understand the chemical kills good bacteria as well.

The 2nd option is to suck out as much as you can with something each day. This way you are removing it and nutrients. The hope is that you will remove enough nutrients from your system that it can't grow anymore.

The 3rd option that would go hand in hand with the second is to add an algea to the tank that would compete with it for nutrients. I had a couple of different types of macro algea in my refugium and main tank that started to compete with it for food.

One other thing, be patient. It took me 3 weeks before it was gone and it just suddenly disapeared.

Who knows, maybe someone else has some ideas that would be quicker and easier.
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Hmmmmm...  I am having the same problem.  Our outbreak "went away" but it is back again.  There are a couple things that I can think of that may have cause the reoccurance.

  1. The sun came out from behind the clouds.  As soon as the good weather started, our cyano bloomed
  2. Our sand sifting goby died.
  3. I discovered that your actenic light have not been shutting off at night.

All of these happened at the same time so I don't know who the primary offender is.  Maybe getting some sand sifting creatures can help you.

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It definately looks like cyano to me. I had this as well a bit ago. Cyano will break out if there isnt alot of water movement. But if you cant increase water movement I would turn off my lights for a bit. What kind of coral (if any) do you have? Fortunately my tank was completely un-stocked when I got the bloom so I was able to turn off my lights completely for two days, and the cyano completely fizzled away in that time.

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I just checked my water no nitrates and no phosphates I Have a Kenya Tree that is doing quite well I tried the lights out for two day's it didn't get me very far I have been pulling it out by hand day in and day out but it comes right back the next day Macro's are comming this weekend if anyone has any macro's they could share I would be greatful.  Has anyone else had a sand sifting gobie added to fix the problem???
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It is cyanobacteria and is a pain in the butt. The macros will help alot, make sure they have reasonable light. But you may also want to run some Phosphate absorber and carbon, I know your tests show no phosphates but some tests suck.

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I need to harvest some of my calurpa.  Let me know if you want some.  Also, there was someone else wanting Calurpa...Whoever wants some can have some.  Best to send me an email since I don't check my messages very often.
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The best way to rid your tank of cyanobacteria is to stop feeding completely for a couple days until it goes away. Don't worry, a reef tank can easily handle up to a week of no feeding and sometimes looks better after fasting! Feeding the tank is the major source of nutrients that feed cyanobacteria, both directly and indirectly.

Alternatively, turn off all lights or use only blue lights and reduce feeding for a week or so. For a really nasty problem, turning off the lights and covering with a dark sheet to completely block out all light for a few days can often solve the problem.

Rfoote recently did something like this for nusiance algae, per my story in the next to last Sea Star Online (Feb. 2002). Ryan, would you mind sharing your experience?

The use of a refugia/algae scrubber helps immensely. Cyanobacteria is an algae-bacteria combination organism that generally is the first and fastest thing to grow when there is a suddden increase in nutrient levels. For instance, a dead fish can cause a sudden appearance of "cyano". Just work on reducing nutrient levels.

Cyano is very abundant in the world and is thought to be a major source of the worlds O2. Just thought I'd add that bit of trivia to help alleviate your concern regarding this sudden bloom. It's not all bad and will go away in time, sometimes without doing a thing!
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Originally posted by jglover jglover wrote:

I just checked my water no nitrates and no phosphates
I have been pulling it out by hand
Has anyone else had a sand sifting gobie added to fix the problem???

The cyanobacteria is using the N and P compounds as fast as they become available, hence no measurable levels!
Don't waste your time trying to physically remove it.
A goby will help, as will a sand sifting star, but at your tanks young age, I would not suggest using these because of the other needs and problems they can cause, that is if they even live long in a month old tank. if they die the cyano will come back with a vengeance
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Isn't cyanobacteria the oldest recognizeable organism on earth? I seem to remember a show once that stated that cyano first formed in the earth's toxic oceans and grew to the extent to which it converted the entire atmosphere to a more hospitable environment. I watch way too much discovery channel.
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I'll say it once again.
The setup of our reef aquariums are a microcosms for the creation of the Earth.

I wonder if God ever had leaking and overflow problems during the first few hundred million years.  Do you think that maybe some of the Earth's atmoshere spilled over into the solar system while he was looking at a different part of the universe?

In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth ... then He let it cycle.

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This is kind of funny because Jake and I were talking about this stuff last night.  Jake reminded of a guest speaker we had before who said that he was pretty sure God was cyanobacteria. 

The scary thought is.... what if he was right? 

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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

God was cyanobacteria. 

I  don't think you'll get that one past creationists!   

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Just when I think I've heard everything!  Some posts are just SO amusing.  My mom keeps asking if I have a wet/dry vacuum yet.  Now I'm imagining the great Creator turning away from gazing at the stars, saying "Aw Geez!  The great sump on Earth is overflowing again!  Guess we'd better turn that into a glacier or something!"LOL

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I don't know, looking at a globe of the world I'd say we're mostly sump anyway
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I like that Weimers,

Maybe Venus and Mars were set up as a couple of shop vacs for the Earth.
Venus Atmospheric composition:   96.5% Carbon Dioxide (CO2), 3.5% Nitrogen (N2)
Mars Atmospheric composition:  Very thin. Carbon dioxide gas (CO2) - 95.3% and Nitrogen (N2) - 2.7%

sounds about right to me.

Hey!  how about this...
Maybe God used Mercury to do atmosphere changes (water changes)
Mercury Atmospheric composition:
42% Oxygen (O2), 29% Sodium (Na), 22% Hydrogen (H2), 6% Helium (He), 0.5% Potassium (K)
   ....well that one doesn't sound quite right.  oh well

Adam,  that reminds me of a sci-fi book I read years and years ago.  Something about the mitochondria in our cells having a collective intelligence, and that is what really ran the impulses of the host organizm.   hmmmmmmm.  Can't remember the book.  Heck I can't even be sure if that was in the story or if it is just a distorted memory from a childs understanding of the consept.

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Oh and I'm stoked it is a little brown now not all red and there is some green in my sump so I'm very excited not to have all red in my new tank
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God did have some problems with the water in his tank.  Just ask Noah.  Afterward he made the same promise I did.  I'll never turn my back on that hose again.
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