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    Posted: March 03 2006 at 10:40am
Well I stiwched over my 65 gallon tank to me new 180 and its been about a month and everything seemed good until last week I noticed all my SPS polyps dont extend during the day just at night. They use to be extended all day and all night ph is at 7.8 -8.0 salinity 1.023 Alkalinity is 12 and my calcium is at 440 I have a aquaspace light with 2 250 watt 14k bulbs that i just replaced last week they are coming out slightly but not like they use to. I have read posts on the bored that other ppl have had the same problem and was seeing if anyone found a solution for this my procillaporra and millis are extended great along with all my LPS and zoos I replaced carbon and water changes. I have run out of options any ideas?
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I would try dropping your alkalinity.  I checked mine about a month ago and it came in at about 8.  I slowly raised the alkalinity to about 11.  I had no polyp extension with higher alkalinity.  I've now dropped it back down to 8 and everything is happy again.  Lowering you alk a few points won't hurt a thing.  You may want to give it a shot.   Everything else you've listed looks good.
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Are you saying the bulbs are brand new?  What did you have before?  Mine closed up for a couple of days when I went from 10k to 20k bulbs.
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Bryguy, My sps polyp extension markedly improved after adding ozone. I heavily feed the tank and noticed the same thing with some sps during the daytime. However, after adding ozone, the water looks super clear and the polyps are almost always out. I would check your ORP if possible.
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my alkalinity is always between 10-12 dkh and all 11`of my different lps corals as well as everything else fully extends.

I swear dear, I didnt buy any more corals, they just multiplied!

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I agree with seti007 to a tee.  My polyp extension is incredible since I added my red sea ozone generator 8 months ago.
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I have Ozone injected to my tank and keep my neptune controls it and i keep it at 350 to 375 sometimes raises to about 400 and I recently cleaned all the probes. I think I may try lowering my ALK a few points and see what happens. As far as the bulbs go they were 10K that were said to be around a year old and thought that could be the case so I changed over to 14K and still no change I even added a ground probe just to make sure stray electricity wasnt in the tank. All of this happened after the red bug treatment and I have done many water changes. Could that medication kill off benevicial bacteria also?
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Have you checked your phosphate level?  I do weekly waterchanges so I never thought of testing for phosphates, but I was haveing trouble with my sps a while back and found I had high phosphates.
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I am having the exact same problem with my sps (excluding my green birdsnest). I have been told that not enough flow or circulation can be a factor in polyp extension.

I am in the process of setting up a closed loop on my tank to see if that will help or not.
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I have never tested my water for phosphates and that very well could be it.  Is my phosphate level suppose to be around 0?  As flow goes I have two seaswirls with each once branched off to two flare nozles, and a sieo 1100 and sieo 820 I really didnt think it had that bad of water flow.  What about Magnesium should I test that to?

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Mg -> yes definitely.
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BryGuy, How long ago did you add the grounding probe? It probably makes the tank safer for you by zeroing out any voltage difference between the tank and the ground but it can cause a flow of current when initially there was none! Just a conjecture on my part but some of your corals might not be liking the current.

BTW. How are your snails doing. DO they live long or die early?



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Have you noticed a fish, like a blenny, nipping at them?

If it were stray voltage, everything would look bad. But... how much stray voltage is there? It's easy to check with a voltage meter. Hold one lead to the grounding probe, out of water, (for those without a grounding probe place the lead into the ground of a wall outlet) and stick the other lead in the water. It's normal to have up to 40 volts AC, but if you read much more than that, unplug things one at a time, until the voltage drops below 40. There is your culprit.

If you don't have a voltage meter, call me. I'll let you borrow mine.

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Well I noticed after my last water change for reds bugs when i stuck my hand in the sump i was standing in a little bit of water and got shocked that was a scare so I just figured that I should add a ground probe to the tank. i will have to check my tank for how much stray voltage. The thing that confuses me most is at night everything looks great but they use to extend all day also. I even changed my lights to a diffrent curcuit just incase it was sending voltage thru the neutral wire. Do you think I should unplug the ground probe for a while and see what happens?
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Don't just unplug the ground probe and see what happens. Use a voltage meter and check it out. You know I live just down the street from you, right?

Have you checked PO4 and Mg levels yet?

In the wild, there are so many fish out n' about during the day, most SPS only open at night. That's why I asked if you have noticed a fish nipping at them. This needs to be investigated. Do you have a Clown Goby?



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No I do not have any clown gobies but I do have two angel fish a coral beauty and a flame I am thinking about trying to catch them since I have noticed them nipping corals once and a while but it hasnt really effected the corals before.    Im going to try and find my volt meter and test my water tommorrow Ill keep ya posted.
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I saw more polyp extension when I was running power compacts during the day. Now that I have an aquaspacelight I don't think the polyps extend as well. I would blame it on the bright lights.
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Pristine crystal water, excellant water flow and weekly waterchange, 10 to 15% is what I believe you need to have to keep healthy sps. Lights are third.

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I have the exact same problem. I'm going to try adding another powerhead
on the opposite side of the tank which is on a wavemaker timer so each
powerhead gets a 15 minutes of action. Maybe that will help? I also just
bought a new ASM Skimmer but haven't hooked it up yet. I hope that will
help as well. I have a question though. If you don't see polyp extension,
does that mean your SPS is suffering from poor conditions and the growth is
stunted and/or it may die?
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I have not yet figured out what causes this but I kind of quit worrying about it since the polyp extension is great but if you do figure out what might be causing it let me know.
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