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    Posted: December 02 2005 at 1:41pm

Hi, I am new to this responsibility and have a number of questions.  I just purchased a used 15 gallon setup that has been functioning for several years according to the guy I bought it from.  He had to get rid of it and let it go cheap.  I have ordered some test kits and purchased a refractometer for the salinity.  It looks good.  The tank has about 10 pounds LR and 2 inch LS.  Coraline algae covers the back and rock.  Has 4 hermit crabs and 10 astria/? snails.  1 Purple PseudoChromis and 1 Brittle Star.  It also has some purple mushrooms and 2 small zooanthids.  I have read a lot and there are many opinions out there that I need to actually talk with the been there done that group! 

1. It has a biowheel.  Should that go?  If so what should I get?

2. 1 PC 35w 7100k White and 12000k Blue.  Is that sufficient?  I want corals in it.

3.  1 Maxijet 600.  Is that enough for water turbulence or do I need more?

4.  Is that enough rock and sand?

5.  How do I wean it off the biowheel if a skimmer is required?

I want more coral so any suggestions/knowledge of where to obtain frags?

I have money so funds are not the issue.  I want to do this right and minimize the killing of organisms due to my ignorance.  Thanks for you help!

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Hi, welcome to WMAS Gahlen

1. with a tank that small, a biowheel should work fine for you. Ive been running tanks with biowheels for 4 years now. Many think the wheel should be removed. Just keep up on the water changes.

2. What types of corals do you want to keep. The light you have will restrict your options but there are still lots you can choose from.

3. hmmm im not familiar with maxijets

4. I would say 15-20lbs would be ideal but 10lbs should be ok too

5. if you want to add a skimmer, add it and remove the biowheel after a while. I doubt you would have any problems just removing it all at once but slower is better. Maybe keep the carbon cartridge filter in for a while.

Frags can be found on this website. you can ask for certain species or just wait for people to sell. Tons of cheap frags for $5-10 :)

If money is not an issue, id get some new lights and some more live rock



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WELCOME to the WMAS.

I'll take a stab at answering your questions. But one thing you should note; there is not a single right way to maintain a reef aquarium. Often times, what works for some, does not work for all and visa versa.

1. The bio-wheel in designed to be an aerobic environment and promote the growth of aerobic bacteria. These do a fine job with a portion of the nitrogen cycle, but they cannot alone complete it. That being said, I run a small bio-wheel filter on my 20 gallon nano and I think it makes a convenient place to add filter floss and carbon. I say leave it.

2. I am a big fan of light. I run 2 x 96 w PC over my 20 gallon. I recommend this also for your tank.

3. Probably. Maybe. ??? I would probably add another to the opposite side of the tank either on the top or bottom - opposite of the other.

4. I suggest adding at least another inch of LS (live sand) and/or another 5 lbs or LR (live rock)

5. Add a skimmer and leave the bio-wheel. You may eventually remove the actual wheel, but leave the filter for floss and carbon.

I have many frags that would be perfect for a little system. Let me know.
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Ok, if money were really not an issue, id go for a little bit bigger tank. Id find a tank that is drilled and use your 15 gallon as a sump. Buy metal halide lights (or VHO, PC, T5, i just like the look of MH) and a skimmer and lots of nice live rock. I think a good starter size is 45 gallons



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Welcome Gahlerfr!

1. It has a biowheel.  Should that go?  If so what should I get?

No.  If you find that you have high nitrates then you should re-ask this question.

2. 1 PC 35w 7100k White and 12000k Blue.  Is that sufficient?  I want corals in it.

Yes it's sufficient for most corals.  You'll likely have a hard time with sps though.

1 Maxijet 600.  Is that enough for water turbulence or do I need more?

It might be enough, but I'd probably add another one.  Set one near the bottom and point it straight up.  Place the other one mid level and point it from back to front (or side to side).

4.  Is that enough rock and sand?

See the answer to question 1 regarding nitrates.

5.  How do I wean it off the biowheel if a skimmer is required?

You can have a biowheel and skimmer (or are saying there isn't enough room at the back of the tank for both?).  If you do remove the biowheel... if you can go slow do it slow.  If there's two wheels, remove them one at a time with a week between.  If it's just one, then get everything else in order (maybe more sand/rock/macro/ect) and then yank it.  But don't do anything yet.

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Wow!  Great attitude! 

Most newbies focus on the "look" of their first tank well before recognizing responsibility to the animals it will house.  You're off to a great start.

I have money so funds are not the issue.

Unless your name is Bill Gates or Oprah, this will change.

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Yeah, I thought money wasn't going to be an issue...now I just have 5 more Freshwater tanks! If only someone would give me their SW tank (flinches eyes while looking around with the other)
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Thanks for the input.  I have had enough experience with reptiles to know that you need lots of information on what you keeping to be successful and thats what I have been doing.  My wife is wondering when I will quit reading.  I told her with a SW tank probably no time soon. I may have mislead some on the money part  I am no Bill Gates but not a starving student either.  I was just saying that I would be able to do whatever was necessary to keep this tank responsibly....
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If I were you, here's what I would do:

See as many other tanks as you can. Get to know what lighting you like,
how the filtration works, etc.

If your system is up and running with no major problems, I wouldn't make
any major changes at this point. Add a few frags and take some time to
see if this hobby is for you. If in a few months you're liking it more than
ever, get a bigger tank and get all the equipment you've been learning
about. Otherwise, you're likely to spend money upgrading lighting and
filtration, and then get a bigger tank in less than 6 months anyway. This
patient approach will probably save money in the long run, and is a little
more prudent than rushing out and getting a bigger tank now.

IMO this hobby is incredibly addictive, and if money isn't a major issue,
you'll probably be buying a bigger tank within a month or two, but I guess
we'll wait and see .

That's just what seems logical to me, although I wouldn't consider
upgrading your current system a mistake.

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Welcome to the club Gahlenfr,hey since money is not a problem, I have some Xenia frags I'm selling for $50 each if you interested.Just kidding

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Welcome Gahlenfr! it seems like you are off to a good start. As you can see the experts have already started replying and I'm sure there is more to come. I'll lurk, listen, and learn along with you.  


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Welcome Gahlenfr!  Do not forget to make it to the meetings!  It is a great chance to put faces with the names, make a few friends, get some great deals on almost anything you need (Not only fish stuff, because there are so many people with different occupations, you can get help with your xbox, car, reptiles, etc.).

I agree with everyone so far on their advice.  So far the advice has been pretty much the same.  Eventually, that will change! 

As far as the money goes.... Next you will want a bigger tank, then another, then another, then a bigger house so you can have a bigger tank in each room!  This is one hobby that can take all of your money if you let it!

You are off to a great start, we all look forward to meeting you, and eventually buying your frags!

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My advice is to come to the Christmas meeting and become a WMAS member so that you will be ready for the frag fest in January.
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Where do I sign up to be a paid member? 
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On the left side of the screen click in "About Us" then click on the link for "Pay Membership Dues" and follow the instructions.


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Just as this forum is free, Meetings are open to everyone. You do not have to be a member to come to the meetings.

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Here are some pics of the setup I initially posted about.

In my first post I neglected to mention Nemo  I was reprimanded for that and here it is.  I know these are no big deal to the rest of you but after 6 days the water has really cleared and the tank cleaners are doing their job.  The original owner did not have a heater and said that the lights were sufficient to heat the tank the "4" hours a day they were on.  Well now I have a heater and the lights are on 12 hours a day. I did not know that the mushrooms even existed nor the red zoo....

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very nice!!
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Originally posted by Gahlenfr Gahlenfr wrote:

In my first post I neglected to mention Nemo  I was reprimanded for that and here it is.  I know these are no big deal to the rest of you ....

They are GREAT fish. Pretty, inexpensive and hardy. Most people have atleast one



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Looks great to me.  What a nice starter tank!
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