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    Posted: October 19 2010 at 12:01am
well, i found many systems but each one is different and i want to know what does each cartridge mean
 
5 Micron Sediment filter or 1 Micron sediment filter
 
5 micron carbon or 1 Micron or Catalytic Carbon filter or chorply 1 Micron carbon or the Coconut Diamon 1 micron carbon filter
 
what does the mean? is having 5 better than 1 or the other way around thx. are there any other filter that i should look for?


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The micron is the size it filters out.  The smaller you go, the smaller particles it filters out.  But that is all pre-membrane.  the membrane takes out something like 0.00025 micron sizes (I can't remember what it is off the top of my head, so that may not be right, but it is small).  So for me it doesn't really matter if it is 1 or 5 micron pre-filter, however mine is 1 micron.  I also use coconut carbon, but again I don't know which is better, you just want something to take out any chlorine in your water so it doesn't mess up your membrane.  Then the membrane takes out most of the stuff.

Maybe someone else will get on hear and can give you more information on that, or correct me if I am wrong.
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I agree.
With all the choices, it's hard to determine which system you like, but if you just remember one thing you will be able to get through it.

The simplest 3 stage system; 1)sediment filter, 2)carbon filter and 3)Membrane provides purified water that is great for your reef aquarium and for drinking. Anything more is your personal choice.

Oh and when it becomes necessary to replace filters or membrane the unit again performs like new. This means that buying a used RO unit, with clean filters producing good water, is a real bargain.
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The reason there are different stages is to take out particles of differing sizes.  Sure there is nothing wrong with a 3 stage filter, but there is also nothing wrong with a 5 stage filter.  You could also go with an RO membrane and nothing else if you chose to.

The reason for the different stages and micron sizes is to take out the larger particles before the water goes through the next stage.  If you run the water only through the RO membrane all of the particulates will be filtered out at that stage and your membrane will need to be replaced much more often.  If you first filter it through a 1 micron pre-filter everything larger than 1 micron will be filtered out before it hits the membrane making the membrane "clog up" less quickly.  Filtering the water through a 5 micron membrane before the 1 micron membrane removes the larger particles there first making the 1 micron membrane "clog up" less quickly.  Since the membrane is by far the most expensive filter to replace removing the larger particles in the cheaper filters helps keep the membrane good longer so you don't have the expense of replacing it as often.

As for the carbon filters, not everything that is removed from the water is particulate.  The carbon works just like carbon in your reef tank in that it adsorbs chemicals such as chlorine and chloramine, which as stated above is very destructive to the RO membrane.
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Since we are on the subject, I can add to what Will wrote.
The CTA membrane is the one that actually disintegrates in the presence of Chlorine. The C stands for cellulose, an organic material. We are not using that membrane.

The one we use is the TFC, Thin Film Composite. It's made of plastic from petroleum. It is more resistant to Chlorine. Using a carbon filter not only removes chlorine but other VOC's (Volitile Organic Compounds). FYI, gasoline contains VOC's. So the AC(activated carbon) filtering the water prior to the TFC membrane helps prolong it's life by removing specific harmful chemical substances.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it matters much to the membrane whether the sediment filter is a 1 micron or a 5 micron. Whether the particles are <1 micron or <5 microns, they all pass over the membrane and go out in the waste water. Particles lager than 5 microns would actually clog the larger screen which directs water over the microscopic screen membrane. The physical characteristics of the membrane and the Reverse Osmosis process actually gets more clogged with particles in two size categories. Those a lot larger than 5 microns and those a lot smaller than 1 micron.

For example, if you have ever screened dirt or gravel, its the particles that are just large enough to get stuck in the holes and not go through that cause the clogging. It works the same in a membrane, except that the membrane is trying to let molecules of water go through and stop larger molecules. Molecules are very tiny. Compared to 1 micron particles, molecules are like pea gravel among boulders.

I have taken apart many TFC membranes. They are all basically the same. The membrane unrolls into a ribbon of plastic sheet. Actually it's two ribbons rolled together. One ribbon has visibly larger holes that direct the clean tapwater into contact with the actual membrane and passing that water out the wastewater tube. High pressure forces water molecules through the ribbon of microscopic screen size membrane.

As a side note, the longer the ribbon, the higher the gpd(gallons per day) rating. A 24 gpd membrane is plenty of water. Most hobbyists don't need more water than that in a day. If more is needed, simply fill some large storage containers. You never know when you may need that water in an emergency if the city tapwater gets contaminated or stops flowing. RO water can be stored for a long time and is still safe to drink right out of the barrel. Smile


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