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Topic: My 90g -> SW Conversion Posted: April 01 2009 at 6:10pm |
Here's a pictorial of me changing my 90g FW to a sumpless SW tank. Hopefully it's usefull to some and also I hope it reminds others of the excitement from getting into the hobby.
The old tank ready for a bath.
Good help is so hard to find!  Actually, my kids and the neighborhood kids were happy to come help get wet.
Making the plenum from egg crate. Thanks Bob for the DIY.
I decided to use tile spacers to create the gap under the screen. It's a lot smaller than what Bob did, so I hope it works.
I used the extra egg crate to make the gap larger towards the back. I figured the sandbed was going to be sloped anyway.
My old light setup for FW was 2x96w PC.
I cut out a section between the studs to run my canister hoses. I used primer to help make it more resitant to water/salt damage. The channel may also help me push cool air to my lights.
The new light setup = 4x96w PC.
Bulbs are 12k, 50/50, 6700, 50/50. The 12k is new, the others are over a year old and need replaced. PM me with suggestions of what to put with the 12k. I'm thinking mixing 12k with Actintic. Good idea? I'll be buying replacement bulbs from reefgeek.com - the 12k I got from there is WAY bright. It's upside-down in that pic.
I know that PC lights are the red-headed stepchild in SW lighting, but this setup is very bright and I'm confident it'll do for the reef system I want to do. I'm sure many are thinking "rookie" and "noob" but I think 384w of PC can't be tremendously inferior to 216w of T5. Bulbs are about 6" off the water.
Bob never said how hard it was to get the screen in place and to keep it there.  We used some aquarium silicone to hold the spacers in place.
Ready for sand.
First batch of SW!
Edited by vadryn - April 01 2009 at 6:13pm
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 6:16pm |
Now, less than a day after adding some LS and LW I've got visible growth in my tank. Way cool. Maybe I'll hate this stuff later, but a couple of days of watching lifeless sand drift around makes this quite exciting. Fish Geek meter is pegged!
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 6:29pm |
Looking good Travis   
When you cut the plenum screen, you cut it a bit larger than the eggcrate so it would overhang, right (looks like you did)?
Did you remember to cut a 1" or so 45 degree 'slice' into the screen at each corner, this way the screen wouldn't "bunch up" in the corners when you try to install it?
No big deal if you didn't... other than it would just be harder to keep it in place 
How are you mixing up your SW? You can just run the water line (RO or tap) right into the tank, fill it up, then add the salt after the water is in...
The Morrills (FrednWilma) have a really nice reef setup with PC lighting; it was TOTM in January (I think) so I wouldn't be too worried about not going with T5s.
Besides, everybody knows that even the most high-end T5 setup is still inferior to a proper MH setup anyway 
Keep up the good work!
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 6:31pm |
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Why the egg crate< Ive never seen that before, or at least under the sand.
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I dont mean to brag but, yeah it's 6ft long.
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 6:41pm |
Rioreefer wrote:
Why the egg crate< Ive never seen that before, or at least under the sand. |
That's called a plenum:
But let not your heart be troubled - many here at the WMAS are not "wise in the ways of the plenum" and know not of the benefits of PNRT (Plenumed Nitrate Reduction Technology) and the peace and harmony it can bring to your Reef...
You have much to learn, grasshopper... much to learn.
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 9:42am |
A huge thanks to the Bakers who brought me 5-6 peices of LR and a few more cups of LS. There were all kinds of goodies in their stuff. I saw at least 4 different kinds of living things that actually move  including little brownish 1/4" shrimp and at least a half-dozen tiny starfish. (Is the brittle star the one with skinny arms with black and gray stripes?)
Anyway, I'm expecting to get some LBTR today and if I'm lucky, some Codium.
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 9:51am |
No LBTR yet, but I did get some Codium from Fish4U. Having only been in there looking at FW stuff before, I didn't really appreciate their SW stuff. I was in a hurry and didn't take it in as well as I'd have liked. Anyway - after watching RSL demolish the defending champs, I got the Codium in my tank.
Inch by inch... waiting for the brown algae now...
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 10:10am |
6 Days since the first batch of LS/LW were added.
I got my FX5 canister going, and with it going, I was able to turn on my maximod too without having a huse sandstorm. Interesting how that works. Tank is running with about 30x turnover between the canisters (10x) and the Powerhead (20x). I am running the sponges in the canisters with a little filter floss (poly quit batting) during this stage. When I get the rest of my LBTR and the water is running clear, I'll pull the sponges and start the AC.
My temp flux from day to night was approaching 10 degrees, so I added my heater. I have a fan pushing cool air up to the top of the tank from behind, one blowing across the water/lights and one more up top on the ballasts. I set the heater at about 76 and now it stays between 76-78 even after the lights have been on all day. Note the brown on the glass.
The other algea growing appears to be the infamous "hair algea" that so many speak of. I have it on at least 3 of the rocks. So when do I get a cleanup crew?
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 12:40pm |
Looks like you are headed toward the point of no return in the hobby.
BTW have you checked the temp in the little cubby above the tank? Be careful what you store up there, I bet it gets too warm to keep dosing stuff.
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 7:35pm |
I think you need a bit more rock in there
Also, you might want to "stack" the rock instead of having it all resting on the sandbed; the idea being to minimize contact points between rock and sand as that is a prime place for crud to build up and each contact point is a bit of a "dead zone" in terms of water flow / circulation...
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 10:44pm |
I've been expecting to get more rock and have spread what I did have out just so it wouldn't look so bare.  I should have 40 lbs or so of rock to add tomorrow night so I'll start doing some aquascaping then. My plan is to build up off the sandbed and allow for flow under and around the rocks. I've done it that way with my FW tanks for years.
On another note, I pulled out the Salifert Alk test and thought to give it a try and see where I'm at. Well, to be brief, I'm kinda tired and decided I'd tackle that project another day. Using that kit, from the instructions, could be good for upper division credit for a Chemistry degree at the University.  It sure makes buying some kind of digital probe sound appealing.
On a sad note, most of my Codium isn't looking so good. Lots of algea is growing, so hopefully it turns around. If it starts to lose peices, I'll pull it and try it again later. I thought macro algea was an early tank necessity  but apparently I'm missing something. Oh well. Not panicking yet.
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 10:58pm |
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I think codium is finicky (at least I think I read that somewhere sometimes I just say things I dont know what I am talking about though)
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 10:59pm |
Digital probes are great but costly
Save yourself some headaches and go to PetSmart and ask for the "Reefmaster" Test kit from API... it has nitrate, phosphate, alk and Ca all in the one kit. Around $25, which is the cost of just 1 Salifert. IMO just as good, and much much easier to use.
You can spend the "big bucks" on a Mg kit from Salifert later (not too many people make Mg kits)
As far as pH any name brand is fine
Then you are pretty much covered for test kits 
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 11:04pm |
sanddune600 wrote:
I think codium is finicky (at least I think I read that somewhere sometimes I just say things I dont know what I am talking about though) |
I am wondering if the time of year you get it doesn't have something to do with it
Codium is harvested off the S. Carolina and Florida coast
In winter the water temp goes down to the high 50s / low 60s
In summer it is in the high 70s / low 80s
Wonder if the swing from winter ocean at 60F to our tanks at 75-80F is too much for the plant to handle
The first order of Codium I got was in July and lasted almost a year until the Queen Angel and the Hippo decided it was "tasty"
The 2nd order of Codium I got in Feb and it disintegrated in my sump within a week 
Same supplier, just different time of year...
Hmmmmm 
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 11:14pm |
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If the Codium isn't looking any better in the morning, I'll see if I can snap a pic and have you guys tell me if I should yank it and call it a failed experiment this time?
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 9:50am |
Here's two pics of my codium taken this morning. One looks like the day I bought it, the other...
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 5:23pm |
It looks like it is just getting cover in hair algae.
I would take a small container of SW (like a bowlful) out of your tank, place the Codium in it and gently try to remove some of the algae. Then return the "cleaned" Codium to the tank, and discard the bowl of dirty water...
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 12:05pm |
It's coming along... If you need any help let me know!!
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 12:21pm |
Thansk for the offer.
She continues to decend into the bowels of brown (rust) algea, but everything I've seen seems to indicate this is normal cycling. I'm keeping the front glass clean, but other than that I'm letting it go. I'm probably going to do as Bob suggested and get the API test kit at Petsmart and see where the nitrates are at. Might need to do a WC if they are skyrocketing. They could be high from the FW algea some of the rocks had I put in that wouldn't scrub off.
If the API test kit is decent, I'll be posting the Salifert ones for sale. 
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:09am |
I bought the API test kit, but it doesn't have an Alk test. I'm going to try the Calcium one and if I'm happy with it, I'll sell my Salifert Ca test. I tried the Nitrate test this morning and it reads at 40 (ppm?). That didn't seem to high on the card, but I'm going to go look for "normal" ranges, especially for a cycling tank.
Here's the mighty rust monster as of this morning.
If you notice on the right side, the surface of the water has a pretty resiliant film of something on it (has to be oily). I'm going to wick that out with some paper towels in a few days. You don't have to worry about stuff like that with a surface skimmer, but I didn't have much problem with it on the FW tank once I removed it.
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