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    Posted: June 30 2004 at 5:02pm

He gave me some xenia at the last meeting. It was several frags. I placed them spiratically in the tank. Even in my sump. I have tried several other times to have it survive, but it always failed. FINALLY I get some to live. 6 months+ with LS and LR from existing tanks and alot of work and I have some xenia.  Yea I'll  later but for me it's an acomplishment. What sux is I got two good peices acting healthy, a small frag that wasn't gonna do it anyways, one peice that was kinda plit weird, and one reasonable chunk in my sump that was looking lacking for light. So I am watching the good peices for a few days, then one morning the CCstarfish I saw close to one of the bigger heads the night before was having a great breakfast..........  well there goes that, must be a sign to setup my fish only headboard. So I go and upgrade my lighting in my sump, and the same weekend tear into the tank, sump for LR and LS that has been seeding for a while. well the weird split peice was looking bleak before but is now gone, I lost the sump peice somewhere in moving LS or it died and disapeared a couple days prier. I found half of the weird split peice under a rock on the bottom. I tried to put it close to the light, but it looks lost. but ONE peice has attached and seems happy.

It's all ADAM.....

Aren't new guys great

I will just give my warning that your system will flood, bulbs will burn out, and things will take continuous maintenance... get over it.

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Well I'm glad some of it lived.  Now look out, it is going to take over.

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Hey, I didn't know Cambomba grew in salt water.

I feel almost the same Sky.  Everyone says their Xenia grows like a weed.  I've had silver tip in my tank for 4 months and its finally to the point of growing more than just the couple stalks I put in.  It'll be fragging time in a month or so.

As for Pom Pom, well the 3 pieces I have have been no more than frags for months.  They look healthy, but have very little growth.

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Could lack of growth be filtration or feeding related? I know that it is certainly light related since they turned weedy when I added in the MH's. Perhaps try an occassional dose of diluted iodine?

What I am thinking regarding filtration or feeding habits is, perhaps there just isn't enough available food in the water column in some tank? 

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My understanding is that Xenia feed almost exclusively off light.  Or rather off the byproducts of their zooanthelia which feed off light.

Does anyone know if this is correct?



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From July/August 1990 issue of Aquarium Fish Magazine:

Zooxanthellae require phosphate and although they
may be able to absorb this from the water it is generally felt that
the main source is from the prey captured by the polyps. However, some
soft corals (e.g. Xenia) have never been observed feeding. Lacking
stinging cells in their tentacles, Xenia may absorb phosphate and
other nutrients directly from the water.

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I added some new brine and the fingers seemed to pull in, would they be feeding?

I will just give my warning that your system will flood, bulbs will burn out, and things will take continuous maintenance... get over it.

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"new brine"

What is that? Salt water or Brine Shrimp? If you mean BS what do you mean by "new"?

Regarding Xenia, if the tentacles pull in and/or stop pulsing, it generally means that the water quality got worse. To directly answer your question, "No, they are not feeding." Xenia pulses when light and water are right for it.

I don't mean to offend you Skye, but if you are using fake plants and if you didn't realize it was Cyanobacteria growing on them, after the very active recent discussions here on the board regarding Cyano, I'm very glad that you are here gathering the knowledge that will help you keep up with your aquariums changing ecology.

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I do remember the descution on improdigals(or however you spell it) thread. But there was no good pictures. So I figured I'd start another thread with good pics.

I added freshly hatched brine shrimp..... New

Oh and mark... I knew plastic plants in a salt water tank would bug you.

 But here is the thread on my puple algae if you want to critisice that thread this one is on xenia alone...

http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2878& PN=0&TPN=2



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I will just give my warning that your system will flood, bulbs will burn out, and things will take continuous maintenance... get over it.

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fair enough.

Did you add the BS with some of their water?

How far did the Xenia retract
and how long was it before they opened back up.
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the xenia went in for a couple minuts(typo) and then came out. not all the fingers retracted, just some.

Plus I thought I heard that coral like baby brine.......

I will just give my warning that your system will flood, bulbs will burn out, and things will take continuous maintenance... get over it.

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All coral is not the same and BS Nauplii (babies) are too large for most coral. Rotifers are smaller animals and better coral food. I'm not sure this is common knowledge, because I was giving away free gallons of rotifers several times recently and few people asked for them!

Did you notice in a current active thread, the info regarding Xenia? It does not eat any animals or algae. Though it responds to plankton, as you discovered, it doesn't actually eat it.

Xenia eats by absorbing nutrient molecules from the water. Moecules are made up of anywhere from two to hundreds of atoms. In other words, the food that Xenia and many coral eat is so small it cannot be seen! It just looks like clear water to us. It enters the corals body through microscopic openings in the "skin".

This is my understanding. Adam, Jake, Jon and others may know how to explain this better than I have.
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I think Xenia eats.  However, I am definately in the minorty here, as even most coral experts say it doesn't.  So it is quite possible, and probable, that I am wrong.  But I still think it eats.  I just don't think it feeds much, and uses much more photosynthesis.  So feeding xenia is kind of a waste to me.  I say just put it under about 12,000 watts of halide and it will grow right out of the tank and grow all over your living room.

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 sure whats 12000 watts go for now adays? The idaho lottery winnings... Shesh this gets spendy quick...
I will just give my warning that your system will flood, bulbs will burn out, and things will take continuous maintenance... get over it.

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Oh yah it's pricey.  No arguement here.  And I would say you could get 400 watts for $400 so I'll say 12,000 watts for no more than $12,000.

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