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Posted: June 09 2004 at 4:56pm |
My powder brown has now been in my tank for a couple of months. He eats well, but only Nori sheets and culerpa (no brine or flake). He seems to be doing fine, except that he has lots of tiny white spots all over his body and fins. They don't seem to effect him too much, but I'd like to get him healthy. It does not look like ich (much smaller), and when Mark P. was by he confirmed that it was not. I do soak his food in garlic, but it hasn't helped him kick whatever it is. Mark said that you folks here would be able to give me some pointers. I beleive he said J Finch knew of some kind of dip/bath I could give him. Please let me know if any of you have experience with this and let me know what I can do to help him out. Thanks a bunch!
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Posted: June 09 2004 at 5:55pm |
I beleive he said J Finch knew of some kind of dip/bath I could give him.
hmmm, I'm not sure what Mark was refering to? The only dips I've done are freshwater baths. Some might be against them, but I think they have helped some of my fish. You need to weigh the cost of disturbing the tank and stressing not only him but other fish too against the good that might be had from a dip...
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Posted: June 09 2004 at 9:55pm |
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Jamison,
When you find a solution, please let me know. I have a Powder Blue that I have had for about a month that exhibits the same thing. It eats everything, including frozen and flake. It is very active and aggressive towards my regal tang. I have been soaking my food in garlic oil, with no results.
Against my better judgement, I'm considering getting a cleaner wrasse. I do have two cleaner shrimp, but it will not pose to be cleaned. Anyway - any suggestions?
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Posted: June 10 2004 at 7:07am |
 Shane H wrote:
Against my better judgement, I'm considering getting a cleaner wrasse. |
Shane, just wondering why you consider a cleaner wrasse against your better judgement?
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Posted: June 10 2004 at 8:26am |
Shane, I've got cleaner shrimp too and my powder brown also won't tolerate being cleaned. Would a cleaner goby perhaps be a better alternative than the wrasse? Mark is convinced that whatever the parasite is, it is not deadly, but I hate looking at it and can only imagine that it is added stress to my favorite little guy. The bath Mark was referring to was apperently some kind of chemical dip (not fresh water). I don't know if I'd ever be able to catch my tang in my 120G with all the live rock I have anyway. Anyone else know anything about this or have any other ideas?
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Posted: June 10 2004 at 8:52am |
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Jamison,
I don't really have any comments on which would be a better candidate; cleaner wrasse or cleaner goby. I do know that cleaner wrasses are normally short lived in most aquariums. (that is why I would buy one against my better judgement)
I am also not a big fan of dips - freshwater or chemical. As a last resort maybe, but I think catching, then introducing a fish into freshwater induces more stress - which is likely the cause of the initial problem.
I do think I will pick up a cleaner wrasse and see what happens. They are definately more aggressive than shrimp in their attempts to clean. Although this may also induce some stress.
I also believe the parasite is not immediately life threatening, but if conditions were to worsen, the parasite could kill you fish. Keep me posted on how things are going. I will do the same.
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Posted: June 10 2004 at 9:23am |
Jamison,
Sounds like your tang has Oodinium.
It looks kind of like Ich, but is much smaller. Almost like your fish has been sprinkled with powder.
If it were my fish I would definitely do a freshwater dip and start dosing iodine to help reduce infection. You could also try cleaners (shrimp, wrasse, goby, etc.), or combination of both (freshwater dips and cleaners) would be great IMO.
The safest route would be getting him in a quarantine tank and treat the water with copper or formalin.
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 12:45pm |
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I came back from a weekend camping trip yesterday, and my powder brown was covered in those spots. Some were quite a bit larger than any I've seen before. I turned my lights back on last night about 11pm, after hearing a splash in the tank and the fish was laying on his side at the bottom. I don't know if he jumped and knocked himself out, or if he was just suffering from the infestation. He did not swim away from the net when I tried to see if he was ok, so I took him out a gave him a freshwater bath. He started swimming around as normal as soon as I put him back in the display tank. This morning, he was his normal self again with only a few little spots, although his color is way off from the stress of the bath I'm guessing. I only dipped him for 2-3 minutes. Should I have dipped longer? I don't know if I'll ever catch him again. I don't have a hospital/acclimation tank set up to medicate him, so that wasn't an option. How do you guys usually administer fresh water baths?
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 12:50pm |
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I usually recommend a dip of 1-5 minutes depending on how the fish handles it. If the fish seems okay in the freshwater I would keep him in the dip for a complete 5 minutes.
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 1:08pm |
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I personally do not do fresh dips. One it is to hard to catch the fish the other it stresses them out imo... Anyway, please feel free to come over & get some of my home made miracle food and see if that helps.
It has:
Brine, blood worms, mysis, squid, silver sides, cyclopeeze, sea weed, vitamin c, and the miracle, garlic extreme. My purple tang had white spots but after a few days on this food,,, walla... call me if you are interested, 957-1944
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 1:56pm |
I agree and do what Jake recommends.
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Posted: June 15 2004 at 11:23am |
Connie, I am definitely looking for a miracle. I've never seen this fish eat any frozen or flake foods, so it isn't a sure thing that he'll take it, but worth a shot. That is very kind of you to offer help. I'd love to drop by and give it a try. I'll give you a call and see if I can find a time that will be convenient for you. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!
Jamison
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