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    Posted: January 01 2008 at 5:04pm
Cry Last night I fed my fish like normal and then I woke up this morning and everyone was dead!! My clown pair and my bloodred hawkfish, I tested the water and the only thing I can find is my alk is a little high, other than that everything looks the same??? All the corals look ok and so I just did a big water change this morning. Anything else I can do or should look  out for??? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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That is horrible! Sorry to hear it.  The first thing that came to mind for me is if you had a big temperature swing overnight.  How long has your tank been running?
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Originally posted by jonafriendj jonafriendj wrote:

The first thing that came to mind for me is if you had a big temperature swing overnight.


Yep, or maybe low oxygenation when the lights are off?
I would run activated carbon in case it is something in the water.




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Do you have good water flow.  When our refugium went out, the oxygen went too low and we lost a couple fish.  Are you running a skimmer or do you skim off the top?  A trick Mark taught us is to lay a piece of saran rap on the top and pull it right off.  It pulls of the fat off the top.  Works really well on a nano without a skimmer.

That is truly a bummer.  I love hawkfish.
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Sorry to hear that Frag. Did you figure out what happened?
 
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not yet Cry tanks been up almost a year now, Yes I am running a skimmer. Also my flow should be more than enough I have a koralia nano and also the stock flow going and it provides quite a bit. Also I'm running a phosreactor with activated carbon and phosban in it.  In the back I have the sponge in the first chamber, chaeto in the second, and bioballs and the phosreactor in the third, So I'm really kinda stumped as to why they died. The only thing I added was some kent marine essentials and thats about it. Oh yeah also garlic Xtreme because my little clown had some ick.

also no chance it was a temp swing I just replaced the heater and I haven't seen more than 1 degree change in it at any point. My tank stays around 79-80 at all times

the only corals I'm seeing any difference in are SOME mushrooms are shrunk up a bit and the pocillipora or accilapora (not really sure which one it really is) looks a little less fuzzy than normal. Other than that all others seem normal. Acros/Millaporas doing fine, duncans fine, clams ok, plate corals are cool, zoos all good

I'm really stumped as to what happened??? Any chance I overdosed on garlic???


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what is your salinity (are you using a swing arm for this or a refractometer) our mushrooms shrank up when we had a salinity problem., and also did you test your ph?
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yeah PH looks ok, I'm using a swingarm that I seasoned and calibrated recently and my salinity is .24 I used to have it at .23 but since adding the hard corals I brought it up a bit
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What are you feeding? .. is it possible that the food was contaminated some how?
 
don't know what else it could be .... the problem with nanos is things can happen so fast by the time you notice something its too late ...
 
how much garlic did you use and do you keep it refrigerated?
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I'm thinking I used a little too much to soak the formula 1 flakes in (3-4 drops cause I wasn't seeing any change in the little guys ick sores), and no I haven't refrigerated it, it didn't say to on the bottle?

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If I remember correctly its 1 drop per 10 gallons of water OR 2 drops for every teaspoon of food .. hopefully you where not feeding your 2 fish a teaspoon of food at a time. I would guess that adding 4 drops would in fact be a overdose do to the instructions.

Also it says that you do not need to refrigerate it .. but I always have .. its a food and IMO can go bad ...
 
Have you tested for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates? well .. not so much nitrates .. I am more interested in ammonia and nitrites.
 
Maybe someone can answer this question .. if you add too much garlic will it cause a ammonia spike? .. this would make sense to me ... you are adding too much food .. it doesn't get taken up .. turns to ammonia? .. I am willing to bet this is what caused the issue ..


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thats the weird thing the ammonia and nitrites are still at 0, my nitrates are still a little high 60-80 but it's been like that for weeks. Now I'm wondering if maybe I didn't wash my hands before feeding the fish, maybe I overdosed with the garlic and then contaminated the water with cigarette smoke residue on my hand??? But I really don't smoke that much so I'm thinking it's the garlic that's the culprit. Anyone else heard of garlic overdose???
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Sorry to hear about your fish. Sounds like some good ideas have been mentioned as to what happend. My opinion at this point would be something with the food. Definety run some carbon.
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What ever happened seems to have happened quickly. I would say some sort of contamination if it wasn't temperature.
 
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sorry to here that it must suck!
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NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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