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    Posted: December 13 2007 at 11:08pm
I havent been running carbon in my system but recently I heard that if I ran some in my system in a high flow area It would help control hair algea, take chemicals out of the water and also give my sps some more color.  Is all of this possible with the use of carbon?  I have noticed a little bit of color in my corals but i am just wondering if this is right or if my eyes are playing tricks on me.???  Dustin
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well carbon removes impurities in the water. it does seem to help to run it occasionally if you need to clean a tank up. many people run it on here all the time. its kind of a personal preference. it does make your water crystal clear, but if you have algae you have too many nutrients in your tank. meaning you have a higher bioload than what your filtration allows for. You can help this by doing regular water changes and testing nitrates etc. this could also be an over feeding problem. I feed my fish probably about 4 or 5 times a day, BUT i do it in small quantities. some people put too MUCH food in too often.
 
its fun to feed fish! I would start by testing your water. carbon will mask an underlying problem you may have.
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Carbon will clarify your water as far as 'yellowing' and stuff like that... I run mine 24 /7 and change monthly. However (as Crystal said) carbon doesn't have any effect on algae or nitrate / phosphate levels, etc.
 
 
 
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Ok that is what I understood, about but i heard the it would help withe the algea as well.  thanks for clearing that up for me.  Dustin.  Any thing else that I need to know about running carbon in my system?  I think I am going to run it 24/7 so any help would be greatly appericated.  Dustin

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make sure you rinse it. when i run it i do it in my eheim canister filter. not sure how other people run it
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Thanks I did rinse the carbon I just put it in.  I put it in right next to my over flow out let that is in my sump.  so all the water that come down the drain gets to pass through the carbon.  If I had a canister I would run it that way
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Don't put it in too high of a flow area. The return water beating on it can turn it to powder and deposit it all over the inside of the tank.
 
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oh thats a good point.  thanks
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I would be interested in hearing the results when you get them Scott.
 
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I've always kind of had the suspicion that hair algae grows more from excess phosphates rather then from nitrates.  If this is what you are experiencing you may also try running a bag of one of the hydrated aluminium products.  JMO... 
 
I may be reading into your post, but I kind of got the idea you may be dealing with hair algae.  If so, have you tested water params?
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The clarity of the water is why it would appear that the coral are better color.
Algae is an absolute necessity in every reef tank. Mostly we like to see coralline and macroalgae. The reason we all should have around one snail per gallon is that the algae which is so good for our tanks because it filters the water needs to be kept under control so that it doesn't become a nusiance. Using a Refugium or if a Refugium isn't possible, growing macroalgae in the main tank is a very good way to help control nusiance algae.
 
Many years ago, our most often invited guest speaker John Walsh, told us about his idea for the RDP Refugium. A few months later his article came out in FAMA. He instructed us that the use of AC (activated carbon) and algae scrubbing pretty much took the place of a skimmer. I've been skimmerless ever since. Here's the link to the article I wrote about it for the Sea Star It's titled RDP Refugium
 
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Do you think there's a drawback to having a skimmer AND a RDP refugium?
 
 
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Nope. It has always worked great for me.

 
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Interesting, I will have to read that article.    I do have a bit of a hair algea bloom, it could be cause of my lights are getting old and I need new ones so it is taking advantage of my spectrum being depleated and the nutrients in the water.  So it might be growing a little more because of that but Jst wondering If I use phosphate remover which one should I use and how? 
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Phosguard is cheaper than Rowaphos and I just use either one in a filter sack in my overflow for about a month at a time.

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Originally posted by rfoote rfoote wrote:

Phosguard is cheaper than Rowaphos and I just use either one in a filter sack in my overflow for about a month at a time.

 
FYI - the Dr Foster & Smith "store brand" is cheaper than both and IMO works just as well (they all come from only 1 or 2 'chemical suppliers' anyway Wink)
 
 
 
 
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I run carbon and phosphate absorber continuously in my system.  The best way to run them, I think, is to use the phosban reactor

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That way, you force water to run through the carbon and phosphate absorber, resulting in a much better efficiency.  I run two of them in tandem; one for phosphate absorber, one for carbon.

As far as phosphate absorber goes, there are two kinds: aluminum-based and iron-based.  The phosguard that Rfoote mentioned was aluminum-based.  The theoretical drawback is that they can leak aluminum into water, which can be irritating to some soft corals.  Having said that, Aquatica display tank uses phosguard and doesn't have any problem with the many softies in the tank.  There are many iron-based phos absorbers.  Rowasphos is notoriously expensive.  You can buy the equivalent at Twopartsolution.com for a much cheaper price (a third or a quater of the price).

As far as carbon goes, you can also buy them in bulk from Twopartsolution.com at a very reasonable price.  They are very small, which is great because that means big surface area for carbon to absorb all the nasty stuffs the tank.  However, that means that you have to use the reactor to run them. 
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I agree that the best way to use these is with a reactor. The Two Little Fishies reactor is great.
 
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Mike do you have a pic. of the Two little fishies reactor? 
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