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    Posted: March 30 2004 at 8:32pm

I would just like to get some opinions on how long do you run u v sterilizers.

I was told to run mine all the time when I bought it , but now I,m wondering if I should just run it when my lights are on, or every other day, or something like that. I dont have any heavy alge growth to speek of and my fish are doing fine, should I cut back on the sterilizer? Whats your opinion.

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Do you have a reef tank or just fish?

I know people disagree about their use on a reef tank. IMO, I prefer not to use one at all, because I don't like the idea of killing the good with the bad.

I also have some questions:

1. If a sterilizer doesn't really affect the "good" plankton population (as I have heard claimed by pro-UV-sterilizer people), then how would it really affect the "bad" plankton population (since it kills indiscriminately)? That is, is it really worth the price?

2. If the sterilizer does kill the "good" proportionally (assuming that there's more good than bad plankton), is it really worth losing all those good larvae and stuff for relatively few parasites which healthy fish can fight off pretty well as it is?

3. If parasites are mainly pelagic (free swimming in water) and good plankton are mainly benthic (in and near rock and sand), then I could see how a sterilizer could do more good than harm. Does anyone know if there's a behavioral difference between good and bad bugs which makes sterilizers more effective? I don't...I'm just wondering...

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I would agree with the points behind questions 1 & 2

3. My understanding is that the "bad bugs" one wishes to kill with UV are a small percentage of the whole pelagic fauna. Also, many good and bad bugs spend a stage of their life in both places, before reaching adulthood.

The shortcoming of sterilizers, in my opinion, is that they process such a tiny amount of water. The water must move slowly through the sterilizer and then it goes back into the tank to be mixed with all the rest of the water. If the sterilized water were going directly into filling another tank, that would be efficient use of a UV Sterilizer.

A LFS employee once told me that his Flame Angel had ich so he turned on the UV Sterilizer and the next morning the ich was gone. He felt that this was because of the UV. I didn't have the heart to tell him that was impossible, not only because of the inefficiency of the sterilizer but because of the life cycle of the ich organism.

So, in short, my opinion, based on science and logic, is that you might as well not run it at all because UV Sterilizers are not useful in the typical reef aquarium. There are other, much more effective means to ensuring the health of a reef aquarium.

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I wholeheartedly agree. There ARE uses for UV sterilizers in the hobby, but IMO only when an otherwise "healthy" environment cannot be maintained. For example, alot of turnover of fish or lack of a proper bio environment. An additional factor would be tank size. In a tank larger than, let's say 50-gallons, the volume of the tank is just too great.  The low amount of flow through these devices cannot equal the reproductive cycle of these parasites, disease causing bacterial organisms and other bad things.

But if it gives you a warm fuzzy, why not? I would say that the cycle of the unit is SUPPOSED to be 24/7 because of the low volume of sterile water that they produce.

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I have one that came with the tank I bought. I dont want it so if anyone is interested I will be happy to give it to you at the meeting on Friday... Any takers?? I have never used it so I dont even know what size it is... Sorry
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Thanks Connie! Although some may not appreciate the benefits  I'd love it to go in my new FO tank.
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For what its worth, I'm taking a microbiology/bacteria class to finish up my degree this summer.  Last night we covered UV sterilization in our lab.  Anyway, a lot of bacteria are able to do what's called "photoreactivation", meaning they have a special enzyme called photolyase that uses normal wavelengths of light to repair the DNA damage that UV light does.  So if someone did want to use a UV sterilizer, it would be more effective to run while the main tank lights were off during the night to more effectively kill more bacteria.  This also makes me wonder, going back to Tomason's points about people saying that UV sterilizers don't kill good bacteria just the "bad" stuff.  That may be correct if phyto has photolyase and ich doesn't.   (Which makes sense as a parasitic pathogen is less likely to carry "extra baggage" like that.) 

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Originally posted by Meeshi_ma Meeshi_ma wrote:

That may be correct if phyto has photolyase and ich doesn't.   (Which makes sense as a parasitic pathogen is less likely to carry "extra baggage" like that.) 

I can see Brian's point, but I think that a pathogen would still have photolyase.  Photolyase is found in much larger and more complex organisms including Drosophila and humans.  I find it more interesting that single celled phyto would have room and energy to produce a type of photolyase. 

And I too think that UV sterilizers work very well to kill everything that passes by them.

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Here is a use of UV that even Mark would like:

http://fishfreak.endoftheinternet.org/h2o2reactor.pdf

A Hydrogen Persoxide/UV Light Reactor
creating a firewall to stop phytoplankton predators

Craig Bingman
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Maybe we should look into a gamma ray sterilizer

That makes me wonder if phytoplankton are really little green incredible hulks.

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