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I am currently running 4- 65w power compact bulbs. The fixture is getting old and rather than spending $50 on new bulbs in the near future, I am looking to go with one if the following options:

                                           LED Option 1
48" LED Quad 3W Light System by Beamworks (Timer Ready) The LED Quad 48" light fixture by Beamworks offers what aquarists always needed. Seventy two powerful 3W LEDs are packed into one space saving fixture. Fixture is fitted with 10000K and Actinic 460nm LEDs providing a high quality, energy efficient light output that will shimmer through your reef at the flip of a switch. This unit features anodized aluminum housing. A pair of cooling fans is included. Optional timer controllers and hanging kits are also available for future add.

                                   
T5 Option 2
48" 216W 4x54 T5 HO Aquarium Light Marine Reef Fish Tank 216W Power Output in total, the latest 48" Aquarium Light offers both outstanding performance and modern design for your aquarium. It supports 2 x 54W T5 HO 12,000K Fluorescent Lamps, 2 x 54W Actinic Blue Lamps and 4 x Bluemoon LEDs, which provides the full spectrum of what your aquarium will need to thrive and satisfies different light requirements of even the most demanding reef setups. German Aluminum Reflector for Maximum and Optimal Lighting Effect Non-corrosive Powder Coated Aluminum Housing Acrylic Shield to Protect the Light from splash.

Either light is in my budget. I was hoping to hear pros or cons based on what you folks are using. Any thoughts on PC lights? They seem to be getting phased out.
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Ok guys well I didn't wait long after posting the above questions and I went ahead and bought an LED locally.
My PC fixture was running 50/50 bulbs so I thought the blue was there. Now hat I have the LED hooked up everything is bursting with color. Wow!! What a difference!

It's 55 LEDs X 3 watts. A 16"x10" pendant on a 48" tank. This light really stretches. I intend to start with 25% power and slowly work it up to 75% over the next 2 weeks.

I want to start the lights in the following sequence:
Blues on 7:00 am
Whites/reds on 9:00 am
Whites/reds off 9:00 pm
Blues off 11:00 pm

Can you guys tell me what the affects of the blue lights have on the livestock? Does the extended light cycle bother them?
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That seems like a really long photo period.  Especially with switching to new lights. 

I would do as follows (just my personal preference/opinion):

Blues on at 08:30-09:00
Whites/Reds on 1 hr later
Whites/Reds off at 19:00-19:30
Blues off 1 hr later.

You can have the white/red turn on later, off sooner while adjusting the tank to full power, then slowly up the time on them too--you'll have to watch how the tank responds, and decide what's going to help the most.


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Aloha,

[Edit - Crazy Tarzan posted while I was preparing this post. Sorry for the duplication. Remember that in the tropics these animals receive a yearly average of 12 hours of lighting.]

Not sure what coral are in this tank but even at 25% the new LED lights will probably give everything a sunburn. An old PC light is quite dim. Turning to brighter lights can even burn coral to death.

We call it "light acclimation". It's a way to acclimate the tank/coral to new brighter lights. If this were me, I might cut power below 25% and also reduce the entire photoperiod by half or at least something like this:
Blues on 10:00 am
Whites/reds on at noon
Whites/reds off 6:00 pm
Blues off 8:00 pm

Over the next week or so, in steps, adjust the photoperiod to full length. After that, step the power up gradually over 2 more weeks.

Blue light is what reaches down into the ocean. It is the blue spectrum that is very important to coral growth. For your benefit I'm re-posting these pics I scanned from an old book by the famous Jacques Cousteau.

Most of the coral and LR we keep comes from depths between 10 and 60 feet.

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Way too long on the photo period. Even though you are running a single fixture over a 48" tank, LED light is much more intense than your PC's. I would plan on adding another of those fixtures over your tank at some point because having one will mean that you are going to have to run it at close to 100% once you acclimate everything to the new light.

It would run the following schedule.
Blues can come on and stay on as long as you want. They are less likely to bleach corals during the acclimation period. I would keep the brightness down to ~25% to start with.
The whites I would run at no more than 25% and no more than 4 hours to start. Wait a week and see how your corals respond. The whites/reds can come on anytime you would like for those 4 hours. I would recommend the blue stay on for one hour before or after the whites go on or off.

So if your blues come on at 8:00 then your blues should not come on until at least 9:00, but could come on later. Then if you blues shut off at 21:00 your whites should shut off no later than 20:00. Again you can set the 4 hour white period any time during the blue period as long as the blues are on before and after.

PC bulbs are one of the least powerful lights for aquariums and LED's are one of the brightest and most intense. So go slow and watch how your corals respond. Any sign of bleaching and you need to back those LED's back down. I would plan on it taking a bit longer than 2 months to get them up to the brightness you want.
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Definitely be careful about not running them at too high an intensity. I've been running ai sols on my tank for a good 6 months now and still don't have them up to the intensity that I want them at. If I increase the intensity too quickly things start to bleach. I've also reduced the intensity that I'm aiming for and it's still taking a long time.

Be patient and watch to see how your corals are responding.
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Thanks for the reply. I've toned it down a little. I'm running the whites at 10% for 8 hours. I'm running the blues at 20% for 10 hours. I will keep an eye on things.

I guess that I wish the lights were a little wider. At 10&20% percent I am not getting the light to spread the width of the tank.
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Originally posted by LakeCityReefs LakeCityReefs wrote:

I guess that I wish the lights were a little wider. At 10&20% percent I am not getting the light to spread the width of the tank.


You could raise the fixture and increase the intensity to help get the coverage.
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OK folks here's a before and after photo, keep in mind that the LEDs are not 100% in these pics.



Power Compacts



LEDs





Now that I'm looking at the pics, I don't think the PCs look that bad. Let me know what you guys think. 
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What's up with the spotlighting effect with the LED fixture? You said it was 48" long, right?

The spectrum of the LEDs and the PC's are two separate animals. You won't get as good of coral coloration out of the PC's...but the growth may be marginally better. I don't know anything about the LED fixture you purchased, but people with the *right* LED fixtures are getting quite impressive growth since the spectrum is more targeted toward coral needs.
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I believe Eric bought something different than what he spoke of in the OP. I have invited him to come over and see my ~200 gal, 7 tank system with its 5 banks of lights:
48" Actinic PC's
36" White-Blue LED's
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Yes. I ended up getting an 18" 125w led. When you crank it up it stretches to the ends of the tank but in the photo it's only in 20% power. I really don't like the spotlight effect. Now I need some 12" T5s for either side or I will have to wait to but another small led.
I probably made a mistake with an impulsive buy. The LED was $120 slightly used. Retail is $269.
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What is the fixture brand and model you ended up with? From what you have said and how it looks in the pic, I believe it was a good purchase. My opinion is that t-5's on both sides of the single LED fixture might look strange. It should not be difficult to find a fixture that could be a pretty good match for what you have purchased, placing one over each side of the tank. Be patient watching this forum and ksl.com. Patience is one of the toughest things to learn in this hobby.

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Put the fixture higher over the tank... it'll spread the light out more. 
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How long is the tank and how many gallons? I just read these posts and missed it, can't find it in scanning through them. I have a 120 gallon 48" tank with 4 72 Watt fixtures over it. They are placed very high above the tank to keep from burning the coral and to enhance the light spread. I get great coverage. It's been up for several months and I'm running the neutral whites at about 20 percent and the royal blues at about 25 percent. Any higher and I start burning things. Some of the more tender coral have been moved into the shady areas of the tank.

Putting an 18" single fixture in the middle of the tank (if it's a 48 inch) will leave you with dark ends. You may try to remove some of the optics from the LEDs to spread the light out. Usual spread on an LED is in the range of 120 degrees.

Hope this helps.

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Mark, where did you get those Old School pictures? A double hose regulator, must be from the 50s or early 60s.
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LOL Many years ago I was at the public library browsing through books about the sea. Since I had never been in the ocean, these series of pictures from an old book by the famous Jacques Cousteau, caught my attention. I scanned the 4 pic series because they give a great visual presentation and make for great instruction regarding lighting, don't you think?

Eric came over last night and we went over quite a few things. The tank is a standard 55 gal with a hood that he prefers to keep. Raising the light fixture would require a serious hood remodel. The good thing is that the light will be great for the next tank upgrade. Wink

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I was able to raise the light 2". It is spreading out a little better. It still is most vibrant in the center. I am going to be patient and see what happens when I get it up to 50% power before I try to supplement the light. If I supplement the light I will probably add a single 48" 6500k T5 attached directly to the hood.
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Ok so I know this was an old post but here I am still looking at an aquarium that seems to have a center "spotlight".
I have the 16" LED centered on a 48" 55 Ga. I have 2 48" T8s running the full length to help increase the lighting on the edges.
I still don't like it so now I am trying to find a 2nd LED. The issue I am having is that it is a no name LED and I want to find an exact match so my tank lighting will look even.
Here's what I have maybe you guys know where these come from or can offer some suggestions.
Black body with 3 fans
125 total watts
55 bulbs 3 watts
2 dimmable switches
50% blue
50% white with 2 reds 2 greens

I cannot find the same light. There are plenty of lights that look identical but none have the reds and greens. I have searched eBay and Amazon. Would it still look even to just get another LED with the same configuration without the 2 greens and reds?

Oh and btw the power has been up to 100% for 2 weeks now and everything is looking great. The anemone did scoot back a little once I had it around 75%   He only moved 4" to the left about 3 weeks ago and seems happy
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