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    Posted: October 12 2013 at 7:05am
Has anyone seen these plastic hose clamps or anything similar around town? I've checked Home Depot, Lowes and Ace.

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ive used them and im not a fan. they go brittle after a little bit and break. if your connections are above water use stainless steel clamps from depot. 
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I used zip ties where I felt I needed them and have had no problems.


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Originally posted by laynframe laynframe wrote:

ive used them and im not a fan. they go brittle after a little bit and break. if your connections are above water use stainless steel clamps from depot. 


How long until they went brittle? They will be submerged...
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Originally posted by Mike Savage Mike Savage wrote:

I used zip ties where I felt I needed them and have had no problems.


Are yours submerged? The guy at Home Depot threw that idea out, but wasn't sure with them being underwater...
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They don't have a lot of crimping power at all. Under water they last longer for some reason. Just buy the right size tube and the right size barbed fitting and your good. Depot sales reducing barbed fittings.
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Originally posted by laynframe laynframe wrote:

They don't have a lot of crimping power at all. Under water they last longer for some reason. Just buy the right size tube and the right size barbed fitting and your good. Depot sales reducing barbed fittings.


They actually do fit nice and snug. There is about 6 inches of it on my drain line in the overflows. These hoses are going to be very difficult to get to in the long run, so I wanted them just for extra security is all.
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Zip ties work good. I snug the zip tie around the tubing first and then push it on. That way I don't have to wonder if it's too loose because I can feel how tight it is when pushing it onto the fitting. If the zip tie is too tight and the tubing won't slip onto the nipple, I try again with another zip tie one notch looser. Alternatively I use two pliers, one to pull on the zip tie end and the other to hold the ratchet joint while I listen for the last click.

Actually though, I stay away from vinyl tubing if at all possible, especially in areas that are hard to reach. Not only is there the risk of the tubing slipping off, but Vinyl shrinks and hardens over time. As you might know, shrinking reduces the OD and ID and restricts the flow, but that's not the worst of it. The worst thing about vinyl is the tubing OD shrinks at the fitting, actually making the clamp looser. You would think that a slightly smaller ID would hold it to the fitting even better, but that I have found that is not always the case. What can happen is that the hardened tubing more easily slips off of both barbed and smooth fittings.

On the other hand, Flexible PVC is awesome because it can bend a little and still be cemented in place with normal PVC purple primer and medium body cement. I have used 3/4" and 1" Flexible PVC. There are PVC male fittings that can screw into the same threaded holes as fittings that came with the aquarium equipment. It may take some looking but in the end the plumbing is secure and leak free for the life of the tank. Flexible PVC can also be glued onto barbed fittings if necessary. (prime the inside of the pipe and spread glue around the barbs) Sharp bends can be made with 45's which I like better than one 90 degree bend.

This is what I have learned after a "few" years of setting up and maintaining my own and commercial systems.

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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Zip ties work good. I snug the zip tie around the tubing first and then push it on. That way I don't have to wonder if it's too loose because I can feel how tight it is when pushing it onto the fitting. If the zip tie is too tight and the tubing won't slip onto the nipple, I try again with another zip tie one notch looser. Alternatively I use two pliers, one to pull on the zip tie end and the other to hold the ratchet joint while I listen for the last click.

Actually though, I stay away from vinyl tubing if at all possible, especially in areas that are hard to reach. Not only is there the risk of the tubing slipping off, but Vinyl shrinks and hardens over time. As you might know, shrinking reduces the OD and ID and restricts the flow, but that's not the worst of it. The worst thing about vinyl is the tubing OD shrinks at the fitting, actually making the clamp looser. You would think that a slightly smaller ID would hold it to the fitting even better, but that I have found that is not always the case. What can happen is that the hardened tubing more easily slips off of both barbed and smooth fittings.

On the other hand, Flexible PVC is awesome because it can bend a little and still be cemented in place with normal PVC purple primer and medium body cement. I have used 3/4" and 1" Flexible PVC. There are PVC male fittings that can screw into the same threaded holes as fittings that came with the aquarium equipment. It may take some looking but in the end the plumbing is secure and leak free for the life of the tank. Flexible PVC can also be glued onto barbed fittings if necessary. (prime the inside of the pipe and spread glue around the barbs) Sharp bends can be made with 45's which I like better than one 90 degree bend.

This is what I have learned after a "few" years of setting up and maintaining my own and commercial systems.

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It's hard to explain, but I there wasn't enough room. I have 2 - 1 inch returns and 2 - 1.5 inch drains. It was so flipping tight in there with the dursos and I tried so many options last night going back and forth to Home Depot 6 times, I finally just used the vinyl. It actually fit nice and snug, so hopefully it's okay.
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I have used them for 1 year, still strong but I have big ones, I do agree with Mark, vinyl tubing WILL shrink as it clearly did in my tank and i had to tighten the clamp another notch. I dont know if i would go so far as to say stay away from it but be aware it will shrink and have the effects Mark discussed but it also mean it shrinking around the fitting and becoming tighter...mine cant really slip off as its has no room to do so as its just a 5" piece between a pump and pvc..pvc has a quick release union that would have to be undone for it to have any wiggle room (but I get what Mark is saying). However your clamps will have to be tightened down eventually (took 8 months for me).

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Originally posted by Bryce Bryce wrote:

I have used them for 1 year, still strong but I have big ones, I do agree with Mark, vinyl tubing WILL shrink as it clearly did in my tank and i had to tighten the clamp another notch. I dont know if i would go so far as to say stay away from it but be aware it will shrink and have the effects Mark discussed but it also mean it shrinking around the fitting and becoming tighter...mine cant really slip off as its has no room to do so as its just a 5" piece between a pump and pvc..pvc has a quick release union that would have to be undone for it to have any wiggle room (but I get what Mark is saying). However your clamps will have to be tightened down eventually (took 8 months for me).

Was your tubing submerged? 
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Okay I see now that I took off the zip ties when I reworked the plumbing and did not replace them. I have some tubing underwater and some in the open air and have nothing holding the tubing on besides the barbs on the fittings. No leaks, no problems. Mostly 1" barb/vinyl tubing.


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yes, it was submerged
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