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    Posted: January 14 2005 at 12:14am

Corey came over to my house tonight to do a little trading and to take some pictures with his awesome camera.  Look what the camera saw:

I can't even see them with my own naked eyes!  Those buggers are small.  So this explains why some of my acros don't extend...

Anyone here treated their tank with Interceptor?  Is there a "definitive" thread on reefcentral I should read (there's too many to sort through)?

Everyone should have Corey come by and take pictures (you never know, you might have some), that camera is amazing!

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 Red Bugs are like a plague!

They are so small, I didn't even notice them until i got home and looked at the pics. Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news Jon.

I have treated my tank w/ interceptor and am currently red bug free ... It does hammer your small crabs and pod population. But it is well worth it IMO. I'll dig up the threads that i found to be the most helpful tomorrow. If someone doesn't beat me to it.

Did you see Adams red bug picture? Talk about nice close-ups!
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Sorry to see that Jon, Have you gotten any new acros lately that werent local?

Shane came by wednesday night and took pictures of my tank, I hope he didnt find any in my tank, but it sounds like they are spreading everywhere.

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There is a thread on reef central. I will try and find it for you.
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jon I just treated my tank yesterday all is good but all crabs and cleaner shrimp are toast.  What size tank do you have I may have enough interceptor for you if you already dont have it
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Ok.  Any suggestion on how to catch all my shrimp and crabs?  I'd like to save 'em.

Sorry to see that Jon, Have you gotten any new acros lately that werent local?

My tank's like the girl at Time Square... Hey sailor

What size tank do you have I may have enough interceptor for you if you already dont have it

I've got about 125 gallons to treat.  At 25 mg per 10 gal that's just over 300 mg per treatment x 3 treatments = about 1000 mg.  How much do you have?  Did any of you have any difficulty buying the stuff?

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i didn't have any shrimp die .. but i did have small crabs die (the bigger ones were fine).

i got my interceptor for my dog .. if you (or anyone else) needs some. i can go back for more. sounds like you need one pill. if i remember correctly they are 1000mg each and 300mg would be about 1/3rd of a pill. I'm sure you took it into account, but remember to consider the water in your 'fuge, skimmer, and CA reactor.
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I bought the smallest pills available that only have 2.3mg active ingredient you would definatly want the larger ones.   I ordered mine at pet meds online they never asked for a prescrition.     
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this was my dosage ... i would bump it up to 33% of the pill for 125g tank.

"tablets are just under 1 gram each and contain 23mg of Milbemycin Oxime" and "The dosage used in an aquarium to kill redbugs is 25mg (0.025 grams) per 10 gallons of actual tank water . That is 25mg of the entire tablet. Each tablet in the pack of 6 will treat about 380 gallons."

this means that 1 tablet contains 1 gram and 90g of water volume = 0.225g of total tablet OR about 25% of a single tablet.

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dose 0.225g as above
1st water change -- 25% water change after 6 hrs
1st run of carbon for 24hrs
2nd water change -- 25% water change after 24 hrs
2nd carbon change at 24 hrs

Bruce: did you use interceptor? Did you get rid of your red bugs?


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Corey, did you treat it three times?
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I did ... after reading tons ... I decided that they (red bugs) reoccurred to often in cases where people did not dose all three times. I didnt want to take that chance.

 
Wanted to give them the full and complete smack down!

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In my tank i have little red bugs! I saw them on my glass cleaner? What are they are they harmful? Is this why my tank is having probs?
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Originally posted by Arcar Arcar wrote:

In my tank i have little red bugs! I saw them on my glass cleaner?

i doubt these are the same 'red bugs' ... The 'red bugs' in jons picture live on acros (parasite), I dont think you'd see them on your glass cleaner. The only real problems they create are that they make your acros look bad.


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Well I started my first treatment of Interceptor... I couldn't get any of my shrimp or crabs out of the tank , I hope they make it through the treatment...

It's 3 hrs in and pretty much all of my acro crabs are dead  and a few small hermits.  Everyone else seems ok.  I'm going to need Corey's camera again to even see if it's helped.  I can't hardly see 'em with my crappy eyes...

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Jon .. I think you'll notice a diff in about 2 - 7 days . You get more polyp extension AND more color!

on a side note .. did you decide on your new bulbs?
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Well... it wasn't nearly as bad as I orginally thought or worried about.  It looks like I only lost a couple small hermits and I'll be danged if the acro crabs didn't resurect from the dead .  They actually came out of the inner branches and layed out like they were dead, but now they're back inside the branches and appear to be fine.  Strange.  All my shrimp and large crabs look just fine.  I hope it killed the red buggers!
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LUCKY!!!!   I lost everything including all crabs acros and hermits and all shrimp.  I hope all turns out all right for you.   I have yet to notice any red bugs since my treatment.

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How goes the battle with these guys Jon?

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Two weekends ago was my third and last treatment.  I haven't seen a bug since the first treatment, but again my eye's suck.  I only saw a couple with my own eye's through a magnifying glass so I could be missings some... I need someone with an awesome camera to take some more pictures

But, about a week before I started the treatment my largest milli started to rtn and although I've fragged it, I doubt any will make it.  This acro used to be very hairy up until about Aug-Sep (when I think I got the bugs).  It's been fully contracted since.

The good news... most of the other acros in my tank look MUCH better now.  I've still got a couple smaller colonies that don't extend much during the day, but everything (other then the milli mentioned above) opens up nicely at night.

Anyone reading this... if you have acros that don't extend their polyps look real close for these bugs.  That is the first sign that you have 'em.

I would definately recommend Interceptor for anyone with acro bugs!  I only lost one small hermit out of a myrid of other hermits, emeralds, cleaner and fire shrimps.  And (here's the sale's pitch ) I had to buy 6 pills ($47) and I only used one for the three treatments of my 125 gallon tank.  So if you have bugs and don't want to have to buy 6 pills, let me know.  I'll sell my remaining pills for $8 each.  Give me a ten spot and I'll grind it up and weigh out three doses for ya.  You're acro's will love you for it!

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