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Topic: pickling lime Posted: September 27 2004 at 11:52am |
what is it used for and how do i use it? i just bought b-ionic for my tanks and it talks about kalkwasser. just trying to learn more!!!!
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 1:40pm |
It's the same stuff, calcium hydroxide. Pickling lime will work the same, but it's not as fine a powder as products marketed as "Kalkwasser" from what I've seen. The finer powder will disolve a bit better but I don't know by how much...
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 1:56pm |
I dont know about calcium reactors, other than I hear they work
great. but i use the b-ionic and its amazing. The
difference that I have seen in a matter of days is huge.
In my opinion if your using reef, or coral vital DNA, and
b-ionic, you will be set. Maybe some iodine.
but vital, and b-ionic
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 2:23pm |
Pickeling lime is chemicaly the same as kalkwasser which I think is german for calcium water you can drip it in or have a reactor. I know of one person that uses an IV bag to have it drip in. It stabalizes calcium it is mostly used for evaporation top off. I even think you can get lime at walmart. It just isn't designed for aquariums so it is cheaper then kalk. Has anyone seen any downsides between using lime and kalk?
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 2:57pm |
what is reef-coral vital dna?
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 3:30pm |
Jeff- a semi popular product manufactured by Marc Weiss and available in most stores.
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 3:32pm |
what is it for and what will it do for my corals?
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 3:57pm |
I looked for pickling lime in several stores (trying to kill aptasia) and didn't find it at WalMart or Smiths or Fred Myer. It was in stock at the local Harmon's. In the isle with Mason Jars and things for canning.
I can't wait for Jon Finch to see this thread. He's gonna post something at least 5 paragraphs long! (Just kidding, Jon!)
One thing I think Jon would mention is that you want a balance with your calcium & your alkalinity. So you might want to keep that in mind before you dump in a ton of kalkwasser. Your alkalinity would crash, your corals would get sad, and the calcium present in your tank would not be use-able calcium (because the alkalinity is too low). Jon explains this really well.
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 4:10pm |
i can't wait for jon's response either, i hope he writes 6 paragraphs so i can understand it.
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 4:20pm |
what is it used for and how do i use it?
It's mixed with water and you soak cucumbers in it before pickling them. It keep the pickles crisp... 
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 4:24pm |
PLEAZZZZZ JON I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LEARN
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 4:41pm |
Jeff, I've got to run (my answers are always too long and I don't have time ) and I'll be away most of the evening, but I'll answer and write up what ever isn't covered by eveyone that replies to this...
Come on everyone, help Jeff out.
gotta run, I'll check back later tonight...
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 5:26pm |
Let me try!
Pickling lime IS kalkwasser! It's a way to add both alkalinity and
calcium. It can drive your pH up, so it must be dripped slowly, and
the pH monitored.
I used to mix up a gallon, shake it up really well, and then let it
settle for a bit. The solution that is left is super saturated, and can be
dripped. Then, I'd add some more RO water to the gallon jug, shake
it up again and keep using it 'till I thought it was full of crud (I think
it binds to crud that wasn't removed in your RO process)
I eventually thought this was a pia way to get buffer and ca++. Now,
I just add a little Kent bicarb and turbo calcium once in a while.
I never could figure out what the coral vital was. I tried! And the
Black powder stuff. I won't use it again 'till I know what it is....
So, how close did I come to getting it right?
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 9:26pm |
I swear there was a thread on this about a month ago (maybe longer) on which Jon had a 6 paragraph answer. Search for Pickling Lime and you'll probably find it.
I'm not sure if Jon's 6 paragraph answer was something most of us could understand, but it may have been.
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 10:23pm |
There was another thread on this about a month ago, in which I linked
up to the thread where Jon and Adam go off on a chemistry tirade...VERY
educational. You can also look on wetwebmedia.com for a good
writeup on Ca/Alkalinity.
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 10:24pm |
From a post by Mark:
I'll give it a go, and Jon can straighten me out.
Calcium (Ca) is necessary for coral, clams, fish bones, feather duster, coralline algae and halimeda growth.
Hydroxide (OH) makes sure the Calcium can be assimilated by organic life forms.
Kalkwasser provides both. It is also very caustic (base not acid) having a pH of something around 30 in a solution, so it must NOT be added quickly NOR in large quantities.
Most people drip the kalkwasser solution slowly at night to replace evaporated water. Nightime is best because that is when tankwater pH tends to be lower, especially in older tanks and those without RDP Refugia.
I've found that it's safe to add kalkwasser equal to 5% of total system volume over the course of a couple hours. Any faster than this compromises tank health by hyper-raising pH.
Now, How to mix it.
Add a couple tablespoons of Lime to a gallon of purified water. Stir it and let it sit for a day. Pour off the top clear liquid into the dispensing container. This can be a bucket which gravity feeds (syphon) an IV dripper or an airline hose with a clothespin. Or it can be a fancy dosing pump. Be sure the drops don't fall into tankwater current which immediately passes by a coral or other animal. Place the drip line somewhere that gives the drops a chance to mix with tank water a little before hitting the living stuff.
Going back to the mixing container with the leftover lime, you will notice that the Lime lost it's pure white color. This is because some of the Calcium bonded with impurities in the water and dropped out of solution. Refill this container of day old Lime, with new purified water. Use this water the second night but then for the third night discard the dirty residue and restart with clean white Lime.
Lime can actually purify tap water. One-half tablespoon of Lime to a gallon of tapwater can make it good but not great for reef aquariums. I've done this with no problems. Of course I also have been known to grow a great reef topped off with what JFinch called "liquid rock" (North Salt Lake tap water straight up)
From a post by me:
I agree with Mark.
Maybe a bit more explaination on the hydroxide issue. Calcifying coral and algaes form either aragonite or calcite. Both are just different crystal structures of calcium carbonate, CaCO3 (CaCO3 is also refered to as limestone). CaCO3 consists of two ions or molecules that connect together; calcium, Ca and carbonate, CO3. It takes one calcium molecule to react with one carbonate molecule to form one aragonite molecule. So, how does hydroxide, OH- come into play? Here's what happens in your reef tank:
OH + CO2 = HCO3 (1st reaction)
OH + HCO3 = H2O + CO3 (2nd reaction)
Notice it took two OH molecules (and one CO2 molecule) to make one CO3 molecule. CO3, HCO3 and OH are also refered to as alkalinity. So kalkwasser provides one molecule of CO3 for every molecule of Ca... balanced as far as calcification is concerned. It also consumes one molecule of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the process. CO2 is what causes our tanks to have a low pH. When that CO2 is reacted away, it has a pH increasing effect.
How much kalkwasser you can add to your tank will be dictated by your evaporation rate and pH. It's about the cheapest method there is of maintaining calcium and alkalinity, but it is just about the most dangerous for new reefers to get the hang of. So use with caution.
Hope this helps...
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Posted: September 27 2004 at 10:29pm |
Although, I still like my cucumber soaking line too .
Also, I've heard through the grapevine that Balls brand pickling lime has been discontinued... Looks like Mrs. Swages is the only cheap source now.
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Posted: September 29 2004 at 2:14pm |
Balls has been discontinued but another option is quicklime from Missippi Lime Co. It is calcium oxide instead of hydroxide. I know people that use this with great success. I heard that Balls was discontiued so I bought out our local Harmons so I will be good for a while. But I found a local distibutor for the Miss. quicklime and I am going to buy a bag and try it. I drip pickling lime at night for about 4 years and have great results. 2 tsp per gal and about 100 ml of white vinegar in a five gallon container and drip with an IV drip. Never had a problem.
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Posted: September 29 2004 at 2:56pm |
Where can you get an IV dripper?
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Posted: September 29 2004 at 3:46pm |
IV dripper get clogged so quickly!
What if you used flexible tubing piped into a milk jug, controlled with one of those little plasic gang valve things?
Or just added turbo calcium and buffer once a week?
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