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    Posted: April 09 2004 at 9:34am

Richard and I discovered something cool this morning. 

We saw this 3 fingered tenticle thing...

Looking around for the source we had a theory.  Maybe it is branching from this near by sponge...

So we moved a rock out of the way and look what was behind it!

Holy branching sponge batman! Here is the whole thing...

 

Is that cool or what?!  Who can tell us more about this?

We have two theories.

It looks like the branching tissue is like a probe that reaches out then attaches to an new rock and then starts a new colony.

and/or

Maybe these are branching out just for water intake.  Is this tissue reaching out so that more surface area is created and the sponge can process more water? Maybe it is wushing water all the way from the tips of the branches down long tunnels and out the big exit holes.

Anyway.  Cool! and in our own little eco-system.

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Suzy, you wondered how our rock structure was held in place . . .

Jared didn't realize I found a cool new product to hold live rock together- It's called Sponge-a-Riffic.  . . .I have not been able to find any blue or red, or pink or  . . . . .

It comes free, (with live rock)

Seriously, could we cut some of these structures for propagation purposes?

Are the large holes entry or exit holes for water flow?

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I have that sponge growing out of control for me.  For me, it is much lighter in color under the rocks, but when it grows out, it has a dark blue color.  Actually mine is now a dark green color.  This pic isn't that good but you can see all the dozens of projections on it.  Mark and I have had this stuff in our tanks forever...

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So Adam,
Do you know if the projections are for water collection or asexual propogation?

Richard,
I found out that the large holes are exit holes for water flow.  Look at this link.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/invertebrates/spon ge/

 

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Here is an interesting tid-bit of information.  I love the commentary at the end

Originally posted by <A href=http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/sponges.htm target=_blank>http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/sponges.htm</A> http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/images/sponges.htm wrote:

Venus'-flower-basket (Euplectella) is an interesting specimen. Inside, two shrimp can be found (one is male, the other female). Numerous larval shrimp entered the sponge through the sieve plate at the top. The first pair to reach sexual maturity killed off other immature shrimp that had entered with them. In Japan Venus'-flower-baskets are given as wedding presents to symbolize lifelong devotion and fidelity (this tradition ignores, of course, the carnage as they reached maturity and the fact that the shrimp are trapped and can't escape).

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Cool Richard and Jared
I call it Photosynthetic Sponge.

Shaded pose from my nano in the July 2003 TOTM pics: (notice the holes in the piece at the bottom edge of the pic)



Illuminated, it seems to gain algae. This is the condition it was in when I first found it in my 10 gal nano in the sunlit window, although a bit greener than this, in Asad/Seti007's tank:


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1mariner7 asked, Seriously, could we cut some of these structures for propagation purposes?

Oh yes, it propagates easily. Be careful not to smash it as you place the broken piece in a hole. Sit back and watch it grow
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I disagree with Mark.  I don't think these are easy to propagate.  Here is why I say that.  A few months ago someone (dianatabor???) was asking about cutting them and sticking them between rocks, and it never worked. 
Also, I don't know how well the working water flow would work for these sponges, since cutting them would create an opening in the bottom.  I see them as quite delicate, easy to eat, easy to break, and not something to cut up.  

However, I think they propagate easily by letting them grow onto other rocks.

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I had a piece on a rock in my tank.  When the rock was moved several times it broke off and into several pieces.  They floated around for a while and are now attached to other rocks.  This seemed like fairly easy propogation to me, but they were not just cut up.  They simply tore off the rock.  I don't know if this makes a difference or not.
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I am quite sure that it all depends on the species of sponge but here is a little ammo for Marks "easy to propagate" statement.

(sorry Adam)

Originally posted by <A href=http://www.aquarium.net/0697/0697_1.shtml target=_blank>http://www.aquarium.net/0697/0697_1.shtml</A> http://www.aquarium.net/0697/0697_1.shtml wrote:


Sponge cells are so loosely bound to one another that it is actually possible to shake a sponge apart. One exercise that I have had some of my classes do was to use a blender to homogenize a small piece of marine sponge with some sea water. After a few minutes, the concoction typically looks like a gray milk-shake. This is poured through a coarse filter (a piece of nylon stocking works fine) to remove the big chunks, and a small amount is put into a beaker and some clean sea water is added. The beaker is covered and put aside and not disturbed for about a week.

Upon examination after a week or so, many little sponges will be found all over the sides and bottom of the beaker. The blender's action is to cause the sponge cells to separate into individual cells by physically severely beating them. When they are put into the beaker, these cells seek out other cells and reaggregate into viable little sponges. If this exercise is attempted with any other animals, the blender simply destroys the cells as they cannot separate from one-another.


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So, based on Jared's last post is it reasonable to think that if we were trying to make a sponge refugium section for our sump we could:

    gather about half a cubic foot of rubble,

    blend up some of our sponge,

    pour it in a bucket with the rubble for a week,

   place the rubble in our sponge refugium section,

   watch it grow and begin filtering our water . . .

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Since most sponge spicules are reportedly (http://www.aquarium.net/0697/0697_1.shtml) composed of silica, rather than calcite, would sponges then not be good silicate sinks?

Further, would we need to be concerned about potential crashes similar to Caulerpa going sexual?  Or is all this spongemania simply to new to know????

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Richard,

I know someone who studies sponges and tunicates for that exact reason.  She and I are both interested in this stuff, but for different reasons. There is a problem (I don't think it is a problem but...) in some places where sponges are growing out of control and since they contain heavy metals wildlife officials are looking for ways to kill them off.

However, my take is that those sponges are removing the metals from the water and we should be happy to have them. Also, according to Linda Nelson at Seabase, these sponges and tunicates are thriving in metal laden water, and are actually helping to clear up the water.  Supposidly the water is clearing up, and these guys are reproducing at an incredible rate. 

So to me, yes, they are a silicate/phosphate/iron/copper/etc sink. But I wouldn't worry about them crashing.

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The only ones I've ever seen crash are the red and orange ones that you can buy at the LFS.
My advice is to stay away from these and get as much of the other that you can! Did I ever tell you about my sponge refugia?
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Here are a couple sponges I discovered today when moving my tank...

 

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