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    Posted: March 15 2008 at 8:32am
I'm so nervous about today!  Today's the move from my 55 gallon to the 90 gallon drilled.  I have a course of action but I'm still afraid the nitrate spikes are going to kill all fish, inverts and coral.  I'd feel better if someone could give me their 2cents on this.

I've had highly concentrated saltwater cycling since yesterday, I'm hoping I can just dilute it and not have little salt particles in the new tank... hurrying things up a bit.  I have about 40lbs of new live rock, a new PH and I think I'll keep my 20 gallon sump/fuge as the one I'm getting with the tank is sump only.

I'm putting egg crate down on the bottom of the tank.. a suggestion to distribute rock weight.  I have made a PVC stand for the rocks in back (thanks Jamison!).  I may use it, I may not, cost me $3 so I can go either way.

So I plan on laying down the egg crate / pvc stand and adding water then rock... aquascaping a few gazillion times.  During this my critters will all be in the 55, probably a VERY cloudy 55 with nitrates from moving all the rock.  I'll leave a tinsy piece of rock for my brittle star to hide under.

Once I get my rocks set I wanted to add the sand... this is where it's getting me nervous.  All of that sand is going to release a TON of nitrate, both in the 90 and in the 55!  It's also going to put up one huge cloud of dust particles in both tanks.   Do you think this will hurt the fish and coral?

I do have a QT but it has copper in it so I could put the fish but no the coral in there. 

Once the dust settles I'll move over the livestock, hook up the lights and let everything calm down.

I'm going from 260W PC's to 2 175W MH's so I'm assuming I can't just run the MH's 4 hours the first day so I figure 30 minutes for 2 days, 60 min for 2 days, then upping 30 min every few days.

Did I miss anything?  Is there any chance at all things will survive?

TIA

Tanya

P.S.  Adam, you may be able to come get the Coral Nipping Coral Beauty this weekend if you are free.
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if you can, put the sand in first.....also I would just go with new sand so you don't have the spike you are talking about.....then if you can, leave the fish and coral in the old tank for a while...if you are putting the new tank in the same spot the old one was, then this will not work......but I would still use new sand in the new tank......it is not the nitrates in the sand that are the problem, it is the detritus that will cause a hard cycle and an amonia spike that will kill fish....

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Eeeps, I didn't know I need new sand!  Where's the cheapest place to get that?  I'm pretty tapped out from the upgrades.  Also how do you get all of the worms, clams, snails, etc out of the old sand?
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If you are strapped for cash you can always rinse your old sand... but that would require a complete breakdown of 1 tank, before you could even think about adding things to the new tank.
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i just took everything out and put it in buckets moved tank and started puting things back in when i moved my tank i used the same sand and just dumped it in i had to ad fish that night and every thing made it  so i dont think you will have to much to worrie about
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yes i have moved many tanks in the recent months and i dont see a problem at all with the nitrate spike. the water may take a day or 2 to clear up, one trick i did with my 125 was i had a small pump and i dumped my mixed water into a cooler and then pumped it from there to the tank it was a gentle flow so it didnt stuir up the sand enough to make the water cloudy.
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here is what I did when I moved to my 90 gallon tank, nothing died. no spikes detectable.

scoop the top layer of live sand (about 1-2") and put it into a separate container and keep it covered with tank water and with as fine a layer as possible,( I.E. don't dump it all into a 5 gallon bucket) rinse with old tank water slightly.
   then rinse all of the sand that is left in fresh water, until there is no dust, debris.

then when you are ready to add the sand, add the washed layer first, then add the old top layer to this washed layer.

this way you get to keep the live.

 you are going to need more sand to maintain the same depth. (90 vs. 55) you would want that layer down first. but it could also be added later very slowly, I would suggest 1/2" amounts if you go with the later route.


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Tanya, give me a call with any questions. 641-3006

I wouldn't use the egg crate. It could cause issues later on. Move all of your corals, rock and fish into buckets or rubber maids. Move your sand over and what ever water you can. Let it run for 20 minutes or so to start clearing up. Put your rock in and the rest of the water and start up the complete system. Let it run with a filter sock for about 1/2 to 1 hour and you will be able to see in the tank again. Once you have it the way you like then add your corals back in and then the fish.
 
As has been said you wont have a nitrate spike. If you use new sand, or rinse it. You will have a ammonia spike as the new sand cycles. Ive moved many tanks across town and done 4-5 upgrades in my own home. No biggie.


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dion, you are referring to the egg crate in the sand bed and not the shelf, correct? Guess maybe I was too cautious.

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Correct. Putting egg crate on the bottom of the tank and then covering it with sand can cause dead spots in the sand. Even the way inferior plenum system requires flow through out the sand to maintain a healthy sand bed. (sorry I couldn't resist the plenum comment)
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Hey, Guys... I heard that Wink
 
BTW - a plenumed tank is not "way inferior" if done right; which involves a little bit more prep than simply just laying down eggrate on the bottom of the tank (which I do agree that it makes no sense to lay eggcrate flush on the glass bottom... all that does is make probably 200+ 1/4" square "dead spots" under the 90g sand bed anyway)
 
When I build the plenum for my 225 I'll post it on my build thread and detail the construction of a proper functioning plenum and you can then understand the basics to construction and operation of a "SPM" (Superior Plenum Managed) ecosystem...
 
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hey, as long as there is a deep sand bed in your sump you'll be fineWinkBig%20smileLOL
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LOL SPM? Sounds like the e-mail I dont wantLOL
 
I had a plenum once. Im sure they are great way to go but they are sooo ugly. Unfortunatly I read and researched them way to much at the time. I belive that a dsb is superiour but Ive been known to be full of hot air.
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you could even go bare bottom and do the 5 gallon bucket dsb, if you ever get unhappy with it, pull it out. although I think the livestock expect a bottom to dig around in.
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Don't make the mistake I made when I recently moved from a 55 to 90. I hadn't changed the filters in my RO unit for a year; and it wasn't filtering out the heavy metals.. especially copper. By adding the large amount of new water into the 90; I killed off all of our corals... make sure your RO unit is working properly before the move.
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