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    Posted: October 08 2009 at 10:57am

I have always had tons of silvertip xenia in my tank and had no problems. About 2 months ago, I got a giant chunk of pompom (about the size of a volleyball when open)and put it in, and it did fine for about a week, then I noticed the hands wouldnt open, and then it slumped over and well to make a long storey short, the whole thing melted away within a month. Now it appears even the silver tip is struggling and getting smaller?????? Help!!! I did a big water change and have been supplemting iodine. My other levels appear to be good, alk 12, cal 420, mag 1350, all the bad stuff at zero, I have plenty of chaeto in the sump on a reverse light cycle so the ph swing should be minimal. But still the the "once weedlike" xenia growth is just a fading memory? Any ideas or advise would be so much appreciated. Thanks Jeff 

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Your water may not be dirty enough actually. Just a guess.

Also I would bring the alk down to the 8-9 dkh range.
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You'll hear people claim that the water is not dirty enough or that they like cleaner water - I've heard they like low flow and I've also heard they like high flow. Same with the light. For some reason Xenia either grows like a weed or melts away fast. I've seen SOOOO many conflicting ideas that I couldn't even take a stabb at guessing what's wrong.

 The first Xenia I had in my tank melted. Four months later I tried again and it now grows like crazy. My water is immaculate - I have the Xenia right UNDER my Koralia 2 at the top of the tank where the most light is - these are all things people say NOT to do - yet when it was else where it died. Who knows?
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i know lots of people  believe that you need to trim the silver tip xenia often tho keep it healthy.... i am sure there is a fish or invert in the wild that feeds on xenia in turn keeping the xenia healthy....natures balance is a perfect one, we just have to try and mimic it!
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I dont think that having dirty enough water would contribute to xenia melting away. My water is very clean and my xenia thrives. I also keep my dKH in the 11-12 range. So I dont think that is an issue either.

How are the other corals doing? Have you changed anything suddenly?

Iodine has shown to be non-beneficial in a reef tank, except when helping crustaceans molt. This is according to Randy Holmes-Farley, one of the industry's leading reef chemists.

I have seen and experienced many instances where xenia just melts away for no reason. It has done this many times for numerous different people. Xenia isn't completely understood.
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xenia for me always migrates to the place of highest light and highest flow.  I put it in the bottom of the tank and it climbs up the rock or wall to get to the top right in front of any powerheads, yah it takes it a month to move up but mine is always moving up.
 
I would say xenia likes more light and flow.  Mine seems to grow faster if the water is dirty.  Since starting to run carbon,GFO, and skimming wetter and doing more water changes my colony has slowed its growth considerably.  I used to trim stalks off every other week to keep it in the one corner of my tank. Now I only trim a piece or two every month or so.
 
If my ALk gets to low It pulses slower or stops pulsing, so I use it as a built in ALK test of when I need to add more.
 
I have had parts melt away for no reason I could figure out.  I think its just a cycle it goes through and that their is not much you can do about it.
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Originally posted by downhill_biker downhill_biker wrote:



Iodine has shown to be non-beneficial in a reef tank, except when helping crustaceans molt. This is according to Randy Holmes-Farley, one of the industry's leading reef chemists.


I don't agree with this statement. But that is another topic.

The majority of tanks out there that are gorgeous dose Iodine in some form. Brad Syphus(tileman) doses Lugol's Solution weekly. I also know many other tanks that does Lugol's and they are gorgeous. Most people can tell the Iodine is low if the blues start to look less blue. If Iodine was useless it wouldn't be in the ocean. I think corals use it but we just can't measure the usage because it may be too low.
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The only time I've had xenia melt away is when I overdosed on iodine ...

maybe get that checked I'm pretty sure its supposed to come in at .02 or somewhere right around there, and I think I had mine up to like .18

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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:


I don't agree with this statement. But that is another topic.

The majority of tanks out there that are gorgeous dose Iodine in some form. Brad Syphus(tileman) doses Lugol's Solution weekly. I also know many other tanks that does Lugol's and they are gorgeous. Most people can tell the Iodine is low if the blues start to look less blue. If Iodine was useless it wouldn't be in the ocean. I think corals use it but we just can't measure the usage because it may be too low.


Do you think there are tanks that are gorgeous without dosing iodine? If you haven't seen one, you should go through the TOTM threads on RC. I am pretty sure Jared Butler doesn't dose Iodine, neither does Tyree. I dont dose Iodine. Calcium, Alkalinity, and Magnesium. It probably doesn't hurt, unless you overdose like Nick did, but it is considered to be a waste of money by many.
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Sure there are pretty tanks that don't dose Iodine out there. I guess to each his own when it comes to how we want a tank to look.

I wouldn't replicate 99% of the tanks I see on this site or on other sites. I replicate the ones I like. Brad's is one of them and so is Sonny's. (www.rimlessreef.com)

Why copy a tank that I find ugly?

PS - I don't think Jared discloses everything he doses.Wink
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Maybe I am overdosing iodine? I dont have a test kit for that. Maybe I will just stop dosing it and see what happens? When my big pompom started to go, I tried everything, moving it up right under the halides, back to the bottom, High flow, Low flow, No flow, it just didnt seem to matter. Someone told me to try iodine so thats why i started. He also said that sometimes certain parasites will target xenia. Maybe thats it, since all the sofies and lps are doing fine. Its just frusterating. Thanks for the feedback. Jeff
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Check out this article: "Lessons of Xenia" in the June 2000 Sea Star Smile
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hey curtis just to let you know, i asked jared butler one time and he said he doses  iodine

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I don't think you should add anything that you don't test for. I have never dosed iodine. I have put xenia through all kinds of different situations and the only time I have seen it melt is when I moved it from one situation to another. It melted slightly and then recovered. So I'm not sure what it could be but you might look to stability. Does temp or anything else fluctuate? Just a thought.
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What lighting do you have and how old are the bulbs?  Is it high up in your tank?  I have had xenia melt on me I think because of the low light before.  IMO I think they need more light than people think they do.
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Thats a really good article Mark, Thanks. I would immagine that huge pompom probably did create alot 0f toxins on its way out. Hence the masssive water change.
My remaining silvertip is about 12 inches below (2) 150 watt HQI's. I agree that they like light, but it doesnt seem to matter anymore, it is almost all gone.
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Thank you. Though almost 10 years since I wrote that, it still applies.
If the tank remains in good health, watch for little single Xenia polyps popping up anywhere in the next few months.
 
*One note here* If a lot of Xenia has been harvested from a tank and there is a lot of coral growth, there is the possibility that adding a little supplemental trace elements containing Iodine, strontium, Mg and other stuff can be helpful.
 
Another tip is not to allow one coral to occupy too much of a coral population. I would keep it below 15%. In a personal experience, my friend Tim Weidauer, the inspiration for and the first president of the WMAS, once had a basketball sized Klyxum/Cladiella/Colt Coral which died when a powerhead slipped and was blasting it all day while he was at work. By the time he came home it had killed a lot of coral in his tank, including a marvelous growth of Green Slimmer SPS.
 
I often sold frags of this large Klyxum to keep it from being a risk
 
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I dose and absolutely believe Iodine is not only beneficial but necessary for proper growth and health of Zoas and other softies. I also run Phosban religiously.
 
Why do you ask? Ive seen iodine turn sick zoas around. Many times. Also one of the most awesome tanks, systems Ive ever seen swears by iodine and phosban. 
 
Who you may ask????
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

Sure there are pretty tanks that don't dose Iodine out there. I guess to each his own when it comes to how we want a tank to look.

I wouldn't replicate 99% of the tanks I see on this site or on other sites. I replicate the ones I like. Brad's is one of them and so is Sonny's. (www.rimlessreef.com)

Why copy a tank that I find ugly?

Ryan are you calling my tank ugly again? Dead 

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Dangit Keith! I can't hide anything from you!

But on a side note, no I don't find your tank ugly. Your first pictures made the tank look bad but once you dialed in that camera it looks really good! I actually need to come up and check it all out and get some frags from you. Just need to get a car firstLOL
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