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Adam Blundell
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Topic: Predicted Coral Reef Die-Off Posted: October 27 2006 at 8:51am |
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 12:42pm |
Very sad. Hopefully with the technology and things developing right now, as well as through preventative solutions, we can save the reefs. If not, we'll have to get everyone to join an aquarium club and buy 3 big aquariums. j/k
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 6:00pm |
Very sad
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 7:24pm |
Are we all hippocritical being Reef "collectors"?
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 8:24pm |
I have not bought a coral in a long time, though I've grown and sold plenty.
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 10:19pm |
Someday the maybe best looking reef may be totally "Aquafarmed" and in our living rooms if we don't do something
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 11:54pm |
Izzy wrote:
Are we all hippocritical being Reef "collectors"?
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I've had the same thought about the subject - Is it ethical to keep a reef tank, or, by keeping a reef tank, am I in some way taking away from natural reefs? I'm sure there's a wealth of debate to be had on the subject, but here's my short, not-completely-researched-or-intensely-even-well-thought-out point of view: The answers to most complicated questions in life are never black and white. Ultimately, a reef can have the same effect a zoo has - it is an excellent educational tool. The ammount of work that goes in to keeping one running demonstrates how delicate a reef is, and it's contents and presence in your home as you show it off to friends, family, and well-wishers (and perhaps not-so-well-wishers) gives them a basic knowledge that this tank you have on display is a segment of the natural world. Think back to the first time you saw a reef tank - isn't that what got you hooked in the first place? Think about how much time and money you've poured in to it? From the moment you learned that there was such a thing that you could attempt to keep in your home, you wanted to try it yourself. Certainly reefkeepers are a special breed :) The basic knowledge that such a fragile thing exists in nature gives invokes curiousity and empathy, as well as the sense that such a majestic peice of nature needs our protection. It really does bring the subject home. Last of all, cohorting (or conspiring?, hehe) with fellow reef-keepers furthers the education and proliferation of good reef-keeping practices, as well as tank-grown coral colony fragging (because we all like to try new things!) But still the question remains, are the home reefs taking away from the natural reefs? That really needs some kind of in-depth study, because the best answer I can come up with is maybe. I think that someone who is more familiar with reef farming and collecting is probably a better person to answer that. I will be so bold as to say that I think it's a bit of a cop-out to flat out say that taking from the ocean is in poor taste. But then again, that's just my not-completely-researched-or-intensely-even-well-thought-out point of view (NCROIEWTOPOV).
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Posted: October 28 2006 at 8:19am |
I don't think what is removed from the ocean for our hobby is even a drop in the ocean compared to the real cause of reef destruction...
"Coral reef experts heard dire predictions for the underwater kingdoms, including one estimate that 60 percent of the world’s coral reefs could die in less than 25 years due to pollutants and global warming.
Sea temperatures are rising, weakening the reefs’ resistance to increased pollutants, such as runoff from construction sites and toxins from boat paints. The fragile reefs are hosts to countless marine plants and animals."
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 11:53pm |
I think technology is what got us into this situation to begin with. We've gone too far past the point of return. The more "technology" we produce the more destruction. Its what humans do best.
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Posted: October 31 2006 at 12:22pm |
that is really sad!! i hope that they start doing something to fix that!!
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Posted: October 31 2006 at 1:16pm |
Firefish wrote:
I think technology is what got us into this situation to begin with. We've gone too far past the point of return. The more "technology" we produce the more destruction. Its what humans do best. |
What's up with the pessimism? Ok, so back in the 1800's, our air was black from coal burning? Now, it's just a bit gray...
We can fix it. We just have to want to.To just give up is not the American way!
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 7:09am |
I'm sorry, its just a very sore spot with me. I honestly don't think we can turn things around but it doesn't mean I won't try. There are so many places that I want to dive and I'm mad because by the time I can afford to dive them all, most of them will be gone in my lifetime.
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 8:34am |
I went to google and did a search on "saving the world's reefs" and I was kind of surprised about all the effort that is being put into saving them. A lot of elementary school classes are helping out in any way they can.
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 4:27pm |
Maybe the reefkeeping hobby will one day serve in restoring the reefs. If we are able to keep corals propogating in aquariums that become extinct in nature, we may be able to reintroduce them into nature. Just a thought.
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 8:44pm |
Coral is already being relocated from one reef to another, just as wolves were relocated back to Yellowstone and so many other similar re-introduction activities with fish and birds.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 3:33am |
Suzy wrote:
I don't think what is removed from the ocean for our hobby is even a drop in the ocean compared to the real cause of reef destruction...
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Very true!
Although, however greater the damage from other sources, it would only serve to do good if even the tiny contribution from irresponsible collecting is dealt with. Collection around North America is tightly regulated and Europe is more of a market for tropical fish/corals than a source, yet these 2 zones are the biggest importers of collected specimens. Therefore, hobbyists from Europe and North America, just on the basis of buying power, can have a big say on what they are willing to purchase, all things considered. All it needs is to be suitably informed.
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 6:34am |
So, we should not buy cauliflower corals! I am still amazed that I see these corals for sale. It is more rare now, but...
On the positive side, when was the last time you saw a Catalina Goby in a LFS? Or a wild caught seahorse?
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:27am |
Yeah, things are a lot better now than they were even 10 years ago. You and I both know that the Waikiki aquarium has tried unsuccessfully over the last several years to keep a cauliflower coral (this is the generic name for the non-photosynthetic dendros right?) in captivity and they still havent figured out its feeding/flow requirements. And i learnt it just by watching posting groups like this one. With the internet, information spreads and becomes accessible for anyone who wants to have it. So hopefully as more and more people become aware of what the current state is even cauliflower corals will stop being collected simply because no one would ask for them anymore.
Some conservation laws seem strange to me. For example, the Garibaldi is considered an aquarium fish but cannot be collected off the Californian coast since its protected. But they can be collected off the coasts of Mexico and can be brought into the country legally. Since the ocean currents run North to South on this side of the pacific, there is a good probability that some fraction of the Garibaldi being fished off Mexico rode the currents from off California.
However, the CITES has also been very successful in making it a crime to bring in endangered species from around the world. Also, I think people who have captive systems understand the impact of news reports such as these more than the average person. We all know the impact of temperature and nutrient imbalance on coral/fish health and the small margin of error that we are allowed to wok with and can relate to similar situations in the ocean.
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 9:47pm |
so if the waters warming, they will move north right? I look forward to my home town of Huntington Beach having a nice coral reef to dive. I don't think a 1 degree atmopheric temp change is causing this. I'm sure many of you have greater temp swings daily in your tanks. Polution is more likely the cause , and technology is the answer, the coal and black sky is a great analogy. The third world and Former commie states are filthy, they need to clean up their acts, we and the rest of the first-world free countries are allready much much cleaner and have the awareness to see whats happening and make changes.
my $0.02!!
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 11:03pm |
Just like in our tanks, it's all about CO2... not black skies.
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