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    Posted: February 09 2007 at 12:26pm
I've got a 10 gallon sump.  The sump isn't baffled or divided up, the overflow just dumps its water in there and the return pump shuffles it back into the display tank.

I've heard tell that crushed coral is a nitrate trap.  The substrate is crushed coral, and hence I worry that I'll have problems down the road.  It's early in the cycle, nitrites and nitrate are zero while ammonia is off the charts.  Would it be a good idea to cover the crushed coral with a layer of sand?

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Sand=Bad, Crushed Coral=Good. 
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Come on, Adam.  Elaborate.  :)

Why's it good?  Am I misinformed about crushed coral being a nitrate trap?  Is it good for calcium?
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That also begs the question -- you said bad for sand in the sump? Is that because sand becomes a phosphate sink/ nitrate trap.

If this applies to a sump does it also apply to a slow moving refugium? If so should I strongly consider pulling out my dsb in my refugiums.

I ask because I am starting to get the feeling that my tank has started the countdown to when it nukes itself. I first had a horrible time controlling a red algea (2 years). Then a ton of bubble algea grew and cyano grew. I have cleaned out the bubble algea a few times and added some chemiclean for my cyano. Now I have replace bulbs and am staring on a hair algea growth kick. Ive decided that I need to do something drastic to take care of my problem but I don't know what that is. My corals look great, but my tank is a crap algea growing magnet. It seems when I get one algea under control another takes its place (red algea --> bubble algea --> now hair algea)

btw tank specks -- nitrates test 0, nitrite - 0, ammonia 0, alk -- unsure at the moment, calcium over 500 during last test but is headed down. I have done a bunch of water changes over the last 6 months to no avail to slowing the algea growth.



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That's bizarre, Kevin...

I hate the 0 nitrate reading when you have algae problems

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Many seem to think that DSBs are good (until they nuke your tank after a while). I haven't seen any evidence to support this, but lets assume they are correct.

If this is the case, it makes sense to have a sandbed in the system that can periodically be changed. This means a refugium that can be isolated from the display while the sandbed is replaced.

I would remove a small cup of the sandbed (before messing with it) to seed the new/washed sandbed with the organisms

IMO, the ideal reef system would have one display tank and several refugiums with DSBs. The sand in each refugium would be cleaned once a year or so. They would be cleaned at different times so you always have a few refugiums with undisturbed sandbeds.

Im curious as to why Mr. Blundell suggests crushed coral over sand


BTW, an excellent addition to a refugium or sump is rock rubble. Try to finds some dry florida aragonite rock at a LFS and crush it with a hammer. A pile of rock rubble provides a home and breeding area for pods. This is the best way I have found to get a huge pod population
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 I like the larger grain size in a refugium. I like larger zooplankton species. It seems like sand just encourages worms.....My fish don't eat spagetti and bristles worms but they love amphopods and copepods and mysis shrimp. That is why I have a refugium, though.

  I prefer other ways to remove those nitrate and phosphate leftovers....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chris.rogers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2007 at 6:35pm
Hmm.

DSB's good/bad/ugly...  I'm kind of tired of the argument.  (No offense, AR.)

I have crushed coral, just a normal layer, and two good helpings of live sand from other aquariums. 

At this point it's getting harder to change it out.  Adam's a smart guy though, so I'm not so worried now.  Adam's always come to my rescue.  LOL


Edited by chris.rogers - February 11 2007 at 6:43pm
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Really depends on what you are using your refugium for. If you use a sugar or oolitic sand in the refugium, you can get better denitrification with a shallower sand bed.
 
I like Athiestreefers idea - it is what I have used in the past. Deep sand bed of fine grain size - with live rock/rubble to support a colony of bugs.


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