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I would definitely not use any additives at all for a tank before it's reached 4 months of age. (Assuming the tank was set up with aragonite/calcium carbonate substrate and rock.) And then only tanks with a load of Ca using coral or clams should be worried about adding anything. 10-20% monthly water changes add all that is needed for 99% of new tanks.

Additionally, these chemical can cause big problems. I would track Alkalinity and Calcium leves for several weeks before beginning to add anything.

But don't let stories scare you. Study it out and do it right the first time. The gallon milk jug method with a pinhole is very safe, until the jug is perched where it can fall into the tank, spilling it's entire contents at once. Put a pinhole in the cap and screw it on tight. Then, even if it falls in, it won't cause a chemical problem.

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Thanks very much, I think I'll stick with B-ionic till my tank has a bigger
need for calcium, at which point I'll look into a reactor

My tank may only be a few months old, but my system is about 8 months
old. And even in my new tank I have corraline growth that's hard to keep
off the front side(s) of the acrylic.

I hope this thread helped out more people than just me because I think it
answered a lot of questions those of us novice people have needed.



Perhaps a sticky/FAQ based on this thread would be good.
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Originally posted by jfinch jfinch wrote:

Kalkwasser is definatly the most difficult additive to dose.  It's unforgiving.  You must watch your pH.  But it's not so difficult that you can't do it.

Is it your opinion that Kalkwasser is better than B-ionic, or just more cost effective?

Just more cost effective.  If cost was not an issue, I'd throw my kalkwasser and calcium reactor in the garbage and only use B-ionic!

Maybe I'll give it a go, but I think I need a surefire dosing method that
won't cause ulcers

If you're afraid to drip then how 'bout doing what Julian Spung does (and still suggests).  Add 1/8 - 1/2 tsp of kalk to 1 quart of RO water, stir it up and just dump it into your sump.  Do this every day just before going to bed (and maybe even every morning too).

Jon, I am trying to cost justify either a Kalkwasser or Calcium reactor versus the B-Ionic that I am currently using.  Can you help me justify one or the other or both?

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If we just look at the usage cost, here's what I come up with:

B-ionic (@$35 per 2 gallons - mail order pricing): $3.31 per 1000 meq of alkalinity

Kalkwasser (using cheap pickling lime):  $0.15 - $0.35 per 1000 meq

Calcium reactor (figuring $30 in CO2 and $20 in 15 lbs of substrate):  $0.37 per 1000 meq

If your tank is 100 gallons and it consumes 0.4 meq/l per day then you'll go through 55,188 meq of alk per yr. 

Using B-ionic that would cost: $183 per yr

Using kalkwasser:  $8.30 - $19.32 per yr

Using calcium reactor:  $20.42 per yr

So roughly speaking, for this hypothetical tank, you would save about $160 per yr by using either kalk or a reactor.  Or in other words, if you were to spend $400 on a calcium reactor it would pay for itself in about 2.5 yrs.  On the other hand, you can drip kalk without spending hardly anything on set-up so it'll start paying for itself from day one.

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That is excellent information.  Are you sure on those figures and may I quote you on them?

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You can quote me on that.

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