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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : You can quote me on that. ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;07&nbsp;2005 at 11:32pm<br /><br /><P>You can quote me on that.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Jon-That is excellent information....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;07&nbsp;2005 at 8:28pm<br /><br /><P>Jon-<BR>That is excellent information.&nbsp; Are you sure on those figures and may I quote you on them?</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : If we just look at the usage cost,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;07&nbsp;2005 at 3:13pm<br /><br /><P>If we just look at the usage cost, here's what I come up with:</P><P>B-ionic (@$35 per 2 gallons - mail order pricing): $3.31 per 1000 meq of alkalinity</P><P>Kalkwasser (using cheap pickling lime):&nbsp; $0.15 - $0.35 per 1000 meq</P><P>Calcium reactor (figuring $30 in CO2 and $20 in 15 lbs of substrate):&nbsp; $0.37 per 1000 meq</P><P>If your tank is 100 gallons and it consumes 0.4 meq/l per day then you'll go through 55,188 meq of alk per yr.&nbsp; </P><P>Using B-ionic that would cost: $183 per yr</P><P>Using kalkwasser:&nbsp; $8.30 - $19.32 per yr</P><P>Using calcium reactor:&nbsp; $20.42 per yr</P><P>So roughly speaking, for this hypothetical tank, you would&nbsp;save about&nbsp;$160 per yr by using either kalk or a reactor.&nbsp; Or in other words, if you were to spend $400 on a calcium reactor it would pay for itself in about 2.5 yrs.&nbsp; On the other hand, you can drip kalk without spending hardly anything on set-up so it'll start paying for itself from day one.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 15:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer :   jfinch wrote: Kalkwasser is...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=272">rstruhs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;07&nbsp;2005 at 12:59am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jfinch" alt="Originally posted by jfinch" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jfinch wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>Kalkwasser is definatly the most difficult additive to dose.&nbsp; It's unforgiving.&nbsp; You must watch your pH.&nbsp; But it's not so difficult that you can't do it.</P><P><strong>Is it your opinion that Kalkwasser is better than B-ionic, or just more cost effective?</strong> </P><P>Just more cost effective.&nbsp; If cost was not an issue, I'd throw my kalkwasser and calcium reactor in the garbage and only use B-ionic!</P><P><strong>Maybe I'll give it a go, but I think I need a surefire dosing method that <BR>won't cause ulcers</strong> </P><P>If you're afraid to drip then how 'bout doing what Julian Spung does (and still suggests).&nbsp; Add 1/8 - 1/2 tsp of kalk to 1 quart of RO water, stir it up and just dump it into your sump.&nbsp; Do this every day just before going to bed (and maybe even every morning too).</P><P></td></tr></table> </P><P>Jon, I am trying to cost justify either a Kalkwasser or Calcium reactor versus the B-Ionic that I am currently using.&nbsp; Can you help me justify one or the other or both?</P><P>TIA</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Thanks very much, I think I&amp;#039;ll...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=778">Xacttech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 3:47pm<br /><br />Thanks very much, I think I'll stick with B-ionic till my tank has a bigger <br />need for calcium, at which point I'll look into a reactor  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"><br /><br />My tank may only be a few months old, but my system is about 8 months <br />old.  And even in my new tank I have corraline growth that's hard to keep <br />off the front side(s) of the acrylic.<br /><br />I hope this thread helped out more people than just me because I think it <br />answered a lot of questions those of us novice people have needed.<br /><br /> <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0">  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />Perhaps a sticky/FAQ based on this thread would be good.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : I would definitely not use any...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 3:20pm<br /><br />I would definitely not use any additives at all for a tank before it's reached 4 months of age. (Assuming the tank was set up with aragonite/calcium carbonate substrate and rock.) And then only tanks with a load of Ca using coral or clams should be worried about adding anything. 10-20% monthly water changes add all that is needed for 99% of new tanks.<br /><br />Additionally, these chemical can cause big problems. I would track Alkalinity and Calcium leves for several weeks before beginning to add anything.<br /><br />But don't let stories scare you. Study it out and do it right the first time. The gallon milk jug method with a pinhole is very safe, until the jug is perched where it can fall into the tank, spilling it's entire contents at once. Put a pinhole in the cap and screw it on tight. Then, even if it falls in, it won't cause a chemical problem.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Oh I forgot... Don&amp;#039;t let...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 2:31pm<br /><br /><P>Oh I forgot...</P><P>Don't let me or anyone else pressure you into doing something you're not comfortable with.&nbsp; There are many ways to maintain alk and calcium in a reef tank.&nbsp; Chose one that you're comfortable with.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Kalkwasser is definatly the most...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 2:28pm<br /><br /><P>Kalkwasser is definatly the most difficult additive to dose.&nbsp; It's unforgiving.&nbsp; You must watch your pH.&nbsp; But it's not so difficult that you can't do it.</P><P><strong>Is it your opinion that Kalkwasser is better than B-ionic, or just more cost effective?</strong> </P><P>Just more cost effective.&nbsp; If cost was not an issue, I'd throw my kalkwasser and calcium reactor in the garbage and only use B-ionic!</P><P><strong>Maybe I'll give it a go, but I think I need a surefire dosing method that <BR>won't cause ulcers</strong> </P><P>If you're afraid to drip then how 'bout doing what Julian Spung does (and still suggests).&nbsp; Add 1/8 - 1/2 tsp of kalk to 1 quart of RO water, stir it up and just dump it into your sump.&nbsp; Do this every day just before going to bed (and maybe even every morning too).</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Thanks for the suggestion...  I...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=778">Xacttech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 2:02pm<br /><br />Thanks for the suggestion...<br /><br />I don't like the idea of Kalkwasser however... not really for any good <br />reason other than it seams accidental over dose occurs with it more than <br />any other buffering agent.  I'm a little bit scared from the horror stories <br />I've heard/wittnessed.<br /><br />Is it your opinion that Kalkwasser is better than B-ionic, or just more cost <br />effective?<br /><br />Maybe I'll give it a go, but I think I need a surefire dosing method that <br />won't cause ulcers  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[DIY buffer : Just looking for my best, most...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=96">jfinch</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6389<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2005 at 12:35pm<br /><br /><P><strong>Just looking for my best, most cost effective solution.</strong></P><P>Kalkwasser every day with the occasional "boost" from baking soda and CaCl2 when/if needed.&nbsp; </P>]]>
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