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Topic: Need Input Acro's a good subject. Posted: September 24 2011 at 7:19pm |
How do you keep an Acro from browning out, when fragging,selling or buying?
I have seen 1000$ frag packs of SPS corals for sell,and i would probably cry if received frags that were browned out and then have to wait 6 months for them to change back color,if they ever do.Is this just a part of keeping these corals? How would you know if you actually received the corals that you just paid a 1000$ for and not just something that was already browned out with a close enough skeleton?(which most have anyway) I'll be the first to admit that i am not real excited about starring at this coral for the next 6 months(knowning what it looked like prior).But if this is just part of keeping sps corals than guess i will have to get over it and deal with it. Is there any other surprises associated with theses corals that i need to be aware of? Do's and Don'ts?In's and Outs.Ya know SPS for Idiots.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 7:29pm |
Is the coral pic'd your coral? Is this how you received?
There seems to be a group of people that assume that SPS turn brown when introduced to a sysytem and you just have to wait it out. I've spent a lot of money at Jared Butlers house on SPS frags, picked up SPS frags from LFS's and even bought high end frag packs from sellers on other reefing sites. Think I've only had two partially brown out and that was due to placement in my tanks.
I guess the place to start is parameters, full shot of your tank, set-up specifics (tank size, lights (how high they are above water line), skimmer, how you dose, circulation, refugium, sump, etc.)
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 8:40pm |
"Is the coral pic'd your coral? Is this how you received?"
Coral was browned out when i received it.I have only had this coral 6 days.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 9:14pm |
That's a start to reiterate....
I guess the place to start is parameters, full shot of your tank, set-up specifics (tank size, lights (how high they are above water line), skimmer, how you dose, circulation, refugium, sump, etc.)
Browned out SPS are an indication of excess nutrients in the water, or low lighting. The latter is much easier to fix, but if you've brought it into a good system the latter can be easier to deal with too. I would start with placing it in nice high light area, would good random flow.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 9:29pm |
I actually started the coral low in my tank to acclimate to my lighting. I have recently moved it up to half way up the tank. Specs.150 gallon 6 foot tank. 2-400 watt 20k meatl halides.Retro fit -Nothing fancy on reflectors-standard. 8in above top of the tank. 6-pc in all-3 front running end to end 20K 3- back end to end 10k's 2- Stunners running at night. 4-Korlia's one in each corner. Manually dose Calicium,mag,alk,iodine accordingly. No refuguim. Sump,Skimmer,25 watt uv,Cheato with light,Filter sock with carbon and phosguard. Good Hour of direct sunlight.If that has any bearing.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 11:13pm |
I would agree with Snowsrfr'. However, not knowing what type of lighting the coral previously came from, I would caution immediate placement directly under your 400W MH's.
Since coming across this forum, I have acquired many high end pieces from Jared, a large frag pack from jcom, and various other pieces from other local vendors. Of all those pieces, only one came in browned out.
My first piece of advice would be to shop locally from reputable people whenever possible. Truly WYSWYG!
Second piece of advice, always try some form of acclimation. Since upgrading to our new tank, which is running three-400W MH's and two 160W VHO's, I start all new sps pieces along the bottom of the tank. As long as color is maintained (but hopefully and usually improved) I raise the pieces up, carefully monitoring each piece, within a couple of weeks to the desired location. For more sensitive pieces, I also place multiple small pieces of window screen atop my custom built fish screens. This allows further light acclimation while allowing the coral to "settle in" to its permanent location.
In 15 years of reefing, I've only had coral brown out and take months to color back up one time. This was recently during our upgrade. Our coral spent two weeks in a holding tank with no lighting and the next two weeks in the new tank with very minimal lighting. After three months, all coral has colored up with the exception of one.
Your lighting sounds more than sufficient. This leads me to believe you've probably received coral that was not what you originally looked at. This is the beauty of WYSWYG. Once you've acquired a colorful sps, your own tank parameters come into play in keeping it colored up. Keep in mind, at this point, to much light can contribute to a washed out look (even a browned out resemblance).
Lots to think about- hope this helps.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 11:38pm |
DLindquist wrote:
I would agree with Snowsrfr'. However, not knowing what type of lighting the coral previously came from, I would caution immediate placement directly under your 400W MH's.
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Agree with DL 100%, noticed it did sound like I said through it up top and it will be good to go. Great community, to keep each other in check here.
I also agree with buying from a reputable seller. If you buy it browned out, plan on putting some time in to getting it to come back to it's full glory. While I've noticed that if you buy a bright, healthy coral and it starts to brown out in your tank, it's not too far gone to get parameters, lighting, etc. right and make a quicker turn around.
I wish you were closer, so I could get a frag and do some experimentation with certain supplements I dose my tank with to see if they would help in rescuing a browned out coral, or if they're more suited in keeping healthy corals, healthy, and getting even more out of those healthy corals.
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Posted: September 24 2011 at 11:45pm |
Paul -
The following is just my opinion, based on my experiences keeping SPS...
1) 4 korallias may not be enough flow. Are they all Korallia #4s, or different sizes?
2) What skimmer are you running?
3) Your lighting sounds adequate. What is your lighting schedule for the halides and PCs?
4) Water parameters are the most important thing when keeping SPS. They are notoriously finicky. Not only do they need to be in a certain range, more importantly they need to be kept very stable. Please list your readings for the following parameters, listing the 'high' and 'low' swings on temp, SG, alk, Ca, pH, and nO3:
temp
SG
pH
alk / dKH
Ca
Mg
pO4
nO3
5) Water change schedule, how much, how often, do you use tap, RO, RO/DI?
6) Carbon change schedule (how often). Also, you may want to invest in a carbon reactor (more efficient)
I have had some SPS brown out despite my efforts, but certainly not every time I added new ones. Many never lost their colors at all. Some changed color, probably due to my lighting being a slightly different spectrum than where they came from...
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 11:17am |
This is the same coral you PM'd me about. It would be good to share a little of the history of this coral with everyone else.
Only occasionally does an SPS coral turn brown when it is moved from one good tank to another, but if I remember correctly, this coral came from a tank that was not so good for SPS and has gone into a tank that has not had any SPS coral in it before. Am I remembering correctly?
If you can, please post a current pic of the entire tank and tell us what you have started doing with this coral to help it's recovery.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:41pm |
Mark Peterson wrote:
This is the same coral you PM'd me about. It would be good to share a little of the history of this coral with everyone else.
Only occasionally does an SPS coral turn brown when it is moved from one good tank to another, but if I remember correctly, this coral came from a tank that was not so good for SPS and has gone into a tank that has not had any SPS coral in it before. Am I remembering correctly?
If you can, please post a current pic of the entire tank and tell us what you have started doing with this coral to help it's recovery.
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Ok here is a little history. I received this coral in the current condition it is in. Coral was in a tank that did not have sufficent lighting. I have no ill feelings from the person that sold me the coral.I knew it was not up to par(get it)when i made the decesion to purchase this coral. I had seen this sps about a month prior to purchase and this Coral in it's original state was the reason that i decided to give these sps a shot.(probably was not one of my better decesions to start with a browned out coral).Regardless. I brought the coral home.I dripped the coral for about 1 hr + before placing the coral in a good flow but low in my tank. over the course of a week it has been raised up to the position that you see it in now.(maybe to fast?) I target feed this coral with Marine snow every other day.I can see a slight bit of green(which was the corals original color)on the tabling part of the coral but there has been no significentl improvement or decline.Here are the pics.Sorry so many tank is to wide. Also included a picture of the only other sps(except a few frags that i recently acquired in buying a complete 20 glln tank.so don't let the other represent current condition of my water or tank for that matter) that i have had for about 3 months now,and doing very well.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:56pm |
Sorry there is other sps corals.Metor shower i have had for about 1 year (lower center).Birdsnest Porcupilla,green (left of the acro).pic does not show the green coloring.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 2:15pm |
In the last pic, what are the SPS on the plugs on the left hand margin? How long have they been in there? Most of the SPS frags I see in the tank are brown. Are you getting any polyp extension from the original browned out coral? What size are he Koralias you have? Do you have close up pics of SPS that have been in your tank for a while that are showing good color?
Also, can you answer BobC63's questions above especially the size of ph's, parameters, and skimmer?
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 2:30pm |
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 2:38pm |
Top frag was a dead acro that i fraged some zoas on.(not relevant) The lower one is the same acro in question.Broke off. Korlia are number 4's. I do not get alot of temp swings.due to an ac the blows directly on the tank. Cal.430 Mag.1320 alk 7.5 Phosphate .5 Contour professional skimmer is all i can tell ya. Salinity;1.23 As far as polyp extension on the coral in question it is minimal at best. Pic #4 top is the hydropora i got from the frag fest a month ago and has done really well with great color.
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 11:57pm |
IMO, if your other SPS are doing good in the system, and you received this in this condition time is all it will take. All parameters look good to me. I'd leave it in a nice lit section, don't move it around and just give it the TLC it needs. Based on the photo, it doesn't look like a problem, but make sure it's getting nice erratic flow. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking SPS need lots of flow, which they do, but it needs to be erratic, not just a straight stream blasting them.
Love to see people go for the rescue of the coral. Keep us updated on it's progress!
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Posted: September 27 2011 at 12:05am |
I agree your parameters do look ok, however I would increase your alk to closer to 9. What temp does the tank run at? Do you do water changes on this tank, if so how often? What is your nitrate level? High nitrates can cause corals to brown out.
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Posted: September 27 2011 at 8:54am |
Tank runs at a constant 79 degrees.I change 30 gallons of water every week.Ro is what is use. As i stated before this coral was browned out when i recevied it.Just did not want to make anymore mistakes during its recovery.I will test nitrates tonight.In the process of raising alk.
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