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    Posted: July 05 2011 at 11:05pm
The pump for my skimmer went out in my 90 gallon tank. It's been gone for about a month and honestly things might be looking better than before. My purple whip gorgonian looks happier etc. What are your opinions on using a skimmer?
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I think they are amazing. Because if something goes wrong you'll sure be glad you have one running.

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1) For a soft coral only, or soft coral dominant tank... no skimmer.
 
2) For everything else... Yes skimmer.
 
3) For an SPS dominant tank... Absolutely skimmer.
 
 
 
 
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Ok then I'll find a replacement pump....
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This topic comes up quiet often. Each time I empty my collection cup, I am reminded of why I run a skimmer. The added oxygen is also a plus. My vote- skim it!

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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

I think they are amazing. Because if something goes wrong you'll sure be glad you have one running.

Adam

I completely agree. A skimmer is a great insurance policy. When something in your tank dies the skimmer can remove that excess pollution before it can do even more damage and possibly cause a tank crash. Besides, we spend hundreds if not thousands on our reefs, why not spend a little more and have a great safety net to protect that investment. 


Edited by CapnMorgan - July 06 2011 at 9:02pm
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Ok my next question would be how do I find which pump I need to replace mine with. The skimmer I have is the same as this: http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=13924

I believe it is the 125 gallon version. I have looked but cannot find any information on what kind of pump this is. Anyone have any good resources?
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I would just get a Sedra or similar needlewheel pump to replace the old pump with. The coralife pump is marginal at best and they don't sell replacements.
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Thats good to hear because in the past 2 months I have had I think 3 coralife pumps go out. It has been weird. Would you just get the same gph and call it good?
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Yup I'd just get something that's close to what you had. Sicce makes some nice skimmer pumps, quiet, reliable, and not too expensive.
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Congratulations. Clap
You have discovered that a skimmer is not necessary. I have noticed that many people who use skimmers have never run any tank without one. I have also noticed that the hobbyists who spend more money on their tanks, which includes skimmers, are also the more vocal group of hobbyists. There are more hobbyists than you know who quietly go along without skimmers and quietly smile to themselves when they hear of people having trouble with their skimmer.

I challenge anyone to turn off the skimmer and watch it's effect.
The effects as I have observed them are:
- less feeding required
- more growth in some coral and no change in growth of the rest
- more growth of bugs which eat nuisance algae before we can see it
- more growth of invertebrates whose spawn feed coral and fish
- more growth of invertebrates like tube worms and sponge
- more biological activity in general as the biofiltration increases to eat the nutrients that are now being left in the system.
- no change in the need to run AC two weeks/month (AC removes organics that a skimmer cannot)
- slight change in the concern that something bad could happen while one is away, leading to a tank problem, but in my experience this is just unnecessary worry and mostly rumor by people who have never run skimmerless. Don't worry. The tank, with it's expanded biofiltration, can handle and resolve any temporary problems on it's own. Smile

For more reading please feel free to go to this old Sea Star Newsletter and look at the last article titled: RDP Filtration

For hobbyists that are prone to overstock and/or overfeed their aquariums or for a tank that is not seen by it's caretaker almost every day (maintenance accounts), I definitely recommend a skimmer.

Regarding the skimmer pump, It may not be the entire pump that has gone bad. First check the impeller. Most of the time, the impeller has swollen so that it cannot turn properly. Extracting the impeller and buying a new one is the best answer. It's easy to check if the pump housing itself has gone bad by checking the circuit with a cheap voltage/ohm meter. If it has gone bad, save some money by buying only a new housing.

I was given a Sedra pump which had a swollen impeller. It had been left in water and had swelled until the impeller could not be removed by hand or pliers. I drilled holes into the impeller until it started breaking into pieces that I could remove. A new $35 impeller saved me from paying $100 for a whole new Sedra 3500 pump.


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I definitely have to disagree with Mark.

I have had 5 or 6 tanks at this point and ALL of them ran without a skimmer except one. Every tank without a skimmer has encountered issues at some point in time. Yes I fixed the issues but it took a lot of time and tinkering. I, 100% believe a skimmer would have solved the problem(s) before they ever ever had a chance to gain a foot hold.

My tank that I ran a skimmer on was by far my best looking and favorite tank. I sure miss that tank.
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I've had both as well and definitely had better looking tanks with a skimmer. I myself run one because I have to feed my seahorses so much that if it wasn't there I am afraid the tank would have major problems.
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Originally posted by Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson wrote:

I definitely have to disagree with Mark.I have had 5 or 6 tanks at this point and ALL of them ran without a skimmer except one. Every tank without a skimmer has encountered issues at some point in time. Yes I fixed the issues but it took a lot of time and tinkering. I, 100% believe a skimmer would have solved the problem(s) before they ever ever had a chance to gain a foot hold.My tank that I ran a skimmer on was by far my best looking and favorite tank. I sure miss that tank.



I agree with Ryan. I have three tanks. Two without skimmers and one with. The one with the skimmer has the LEAST amount of problems. The only realy difference between the three (Besides size) is the skimmer. I get better growth, happier corals, and happier fish because I can feed more. Can you run without a skimmer? Sure can. I do. Will it make you happier to run with one? Sure will.
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A hobbyist can rely on a piece of equipment or they can set up their biological system to do the job. Most hobbyists anymore don't know enough about what I'm talking about and don't want to take the time to learn. I definitely recommend they use a Skimmer. This hobby has gotten lazy. I cannot take it anymore. I'm outta here. The end. Clap
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Hi Mark! - I got a bit of a chuckle that coming from you "those who don't use a skimmer are less vocal..." Now that's funny!  Seriously no offense intended.Tongue
If I've learned anything in this hobby over 10 years it is that there are a myriad of ways to accomplish the same thing.  You have to find out what works best for you and go with that solution, all the while being open to the possibility of something better being available. In being 100% honest as I do research and seek out knowledge I will immediately close off to the approach of "Do it my way only or this way or you will not succeed." I'm sure you've been told this before, but that is quite often how you come off.  As a result, I don't give you the respect you likely deserve.  I was just watching a Discovery Channel episode on birds recently, as the male tries to attract a female - it is all about his approach!
 
As far as a skimmer, I've used tanks without and tanks with.  I definitely prefer a tank with and do use a skimmer now.  Does that mean I'm lazy?  nah, of course not!  I'd contend I spend as much time with my tank as most those who don't.  Kind of a silly contention really!  Cheers!


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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

A hobbyist can rely on a piece of equipment or they can set up their biological system to do the job. Most hobbyists anymore don't know enough about what I'm talking about and don't want to take the time to learn. I definitely recommend they use a Skimmer. This hobby has gotten lazy. I cannot take it anymore. I'm outta here. The end. Clap


Wow. Really? This doesn't sound like the Mark I know. Since when has keeping a skimmer made ANYONE lazy? That's just about the silliest thing I've ever heard. Why does it always have to be one thing or the other Mark? Many people, infact most I bet, run a refuge and skimmer. Just because I'm super careful in my house doesn't mean I don't buy house insurance - and it certainly doesn't make me lazy. Best wishes.
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Wow mark thank you for calling me lazy and non vocal *ouch*. I dont use a skimmer in 2 out of my 3 tanks. The tank with the skimmer is the cleanest by far! But the other two look great too.
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Oh geez, I'm just going to skip this thread.

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Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

Oh geez, I'm just going to skip this thread.

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