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Topic: Beyond Phyto? Posted: March 06 2006 at 6:58pm |
OK, so I've been growing phyto for a few years now...
After doing a bit o' research, I decided I might try something different, so
I started growing diatoms...
Then, it actually turns out that most corals are not herbivores, they prefer
zooplanton so i started culturing copepods, the most nutritious food per
pound, on the planet!
So, what is next? What cool thing can I culture in my basement? What
other element is missing in my desert reef?
Hmmm....
I have not grown dinoflagelates!!!! The ultimate in cool stuff! The cell that
zooanthelia is made of!!!! When I have a coral bleach, how can it ever
replace the necessary algae it needs if I have not supplied it in it's
environment? How can I help it from succumbing to this terrible bleaching
episode?
My newest latest wild-hair quest is to grow dinoflagulates!
First step: learn how to spell it!
So, I have been getting quite a few pms about fansy pansy cultures. Here
is a site about few of the cultures some of us are growing:
w3732e00.htm#Contents">Microalgae
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 7:06pm |
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Ok, for those that prefer research in English, cutnpaste this:
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/003/W3732E/w3732e00.htm#Contents
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 7:20pm |
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On a roll...
I found the one name:Symbiodinium microadriaticum
So, there are a few more...
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 7:51pm |
Suzy, what makes you say that it turns out they aren't herbivores? There are several articles on the net that claim soft corals have a 80% phyto / 20% zoo diet and LPS and SPS have 20% phyto and 80% zoo diet... and of course, most corals will survive even without feeding utilizing photosynthesis  while we can't feed it to our tanks (or can we??) i claim soyflower is pound for pound more nutrious than copepods even when you "gut load" them with something else (which is where a lot of that nutrition comes from). in fact the link above shows that soyflower is a commonly used food for culturing zooplankton. here is a link with some dry weight percentages on soybeans.
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 8:01pm |
Yea, but what the burning issue is ...will it lead to an increase in breast cancer among zooplankton or not?
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 8:15pm |
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OK, you guys can try to defer my quest but!!! I think I found a source!!!
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 9:27pm |
no one is trying to discourage you silly rabbit! I would like to get to the bottom of the "what do corals eat though" because my massive overfeeding on phyto certainly is going somewhere... all this work for naught? gasp
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 7:17am |
You know we are in the perfect place to rib you about these efforts while being still interested. We'll be the first to be feeding this awesome coral food and saying we were watching the invention as it progressed. 
Actually, I'd really like to get by there and see your now famous set-up and look more closely at these efforts.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 7:31am |
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OK, so there are some that think that phyto is for feeding zooplankton,
right? You can feed the resident zooplankton in your tank (if there is any
that has not already been snicked) or you can feed it in a culture vessel.
I do feed my tank with a strong phytoplankton and a quick growing
diatom, and I have had a recent explosion of mysis shrimp. But, I think
even though I am adding a gallon or so daily, I can grow more
zooplankton in a seperate culture vessel that does not contain predators.
With my systems needs, I think it is best for me.
Some corals, and esp sponges, do consume phyto directly but some
corals (animals) do not. We all know -and have seen with our own eyes-
SPS tanks that grow without any additional feeding, they live off their
symbiotic zooanthellae, But, there is research that concludes that better
growth -esp relating to gonad formation- requires heterotrophic
consumption.
Phyto is cool (depending on the species), but my tanks- with a diverse
population of sps and octocorals- need both meat and veggies, IMO.
So, back to the original topic: Where do I find Dinoflagellates?
(Off topic: I don't gut load my copepods. They make their own PUFAs
from fish poo)
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 3:12pm |
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You should get onto marinedepot.com/forums and just ask Ron Shimek in his forum where to get them and how to grow them. Well, maybe you already know how to grow them, but he knows all about that stuff. I don't know if you've been to this site or not, but its pretty new and alot smaller than RC too, which I think is where he used to be, I might be mistaked though.
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Posted: March 08 2006 at 8:33am |
Thanks Ryan for the PM clearing things up.
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Posted: March 08 2006 at 1:09pm |
Angel, how did I miss your last post? We must have been simultaneously posting!
I don't think this is something we will feed to our corals. I think it might be something we soak them in when they have bleached? I don't know if we want a culture to compete with the zooanthellae...
Ryan, I will try Ron but this might be something I have to find some research guy in Florida to get....rob a university sorta thing....
Man, I just wish I knew someone who knows someone who is a researcher type in Florida.....
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Posted: March 08 2006 at 1:16pm |
And, Connie, you are always welcome to see our tanks!
Plus, I think I have a sponge growing that is THE cure for breast CA in zoop!
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Posted: March 08 2006 at 2:24pm |
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Sounds like you're on a pretty big quest.
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 12:04am |
ryanj wrote:
Sounds like you're on a pretty big quest. |
That's pretty much how Suzy does it, on a pretty good sized scale! Isn't she awesome!
You cannot be a leader of a revolution without thinking big and taking chances! Go Suzy!
I bet your past friends at TLP would know someone who knows someone who is a researcher. Maybe someone at a lab could put you in touch with the right person? Or, maybe Adam B.?
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 7:47am |
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Thanks, Rodney!
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Posted: March 10 2006 at 7:56am |
Suzy it looks like your are on your way to becomming the goddess of dinoflagulates! I think Adam Haycock should jump in on this post. I love this club
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