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Topic: Instructions on converting to reef tank Posted: January 12 2006 at 7:00pm |
Hey guys:
I am starting in on marine after many successful adventures with freshwater. I am building a show tank (96x42x36, or 627 gal) to match my freshwater tank I built. The problem I am running into is the cost, or more particularly the immediate cost (of live rock and live sand especially).
The cost to build the 627 gal tank with stand, overflow, plenum, and sump is only $609 (and a week of my life). Rather than buy 500+ lbs of live rock and several hundred lbs of live sand and watch my wife divorce me and take my children to her parents' house to live, I would prefer a solution that did not cost thousands of dollars. I have heard about a couple different options including Utah Rock/Sand, a mix of that with live rock and sand, or even Argocrete, but I don't know the logistics involved.
Still, I have seen that hotly debated on this forum and I don't want to restart a war. My question, then, is this. What equipment (above and beyond the basic tank) do I need to keep live rock growing and/or turn other rocks into "live rock" so to speak? Do I need a protein skimmer for that portion, a pump to keep water moving or will still water work, do I need snails and crabs, must there be a fish to move the nitrogen cycle, etc., etc.?
Ultimately the tank will have back overflows taking from the top and bottom to the sump. The overflow will have additional biological filtration, and the sump with include mechanical and chemical filtration, along with UV filtration and a protien skimmer. I want to do this in stages as much as possible, because the initial outlaying of six hundred dollars is not insubstantial, so the less that I need to spend to get my tank maturing the better. Time is no issue but money ultimately is. Any advice you have for me will be appreciated.
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 7:10pm |
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i want to know how you are building a 627 gal tank for only $609!!!!! let along all the other things to go with it!
you can get a lot of utah rock/sand for free, probably enough to start the tank with some live sand from other members. search for "LBTR" and you can read about it.
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 7:13pm |
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Building the tank for $609 isn't hard at all, just takes patience and attention to detail. If you are interested, I would be happy to post or email the design plans along with a materials list and where to buy from.
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 7:38pm |
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if it is going to match your freshwater tank...., would you post some pics of it..., I would really like to see it
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Posted: January 12 2006 at 7:38pm |
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Sheldrine, welcome! Sounds like the oolitic sand and LBTR would be a good way for you to save money.
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 8:41am |
Please email the tank plans and info to me at [email protected]
Here is a link to the thread that describes the steps of setting up a reef aquarium using Utah Sand and Rock: http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244
BTW, the topic of using these Utah resources is not hotly debated any more. It seems to be widely accepted, finally. 
96x42x36/231=628.3 gallons That's a huge tank. Where are you located? May I visit you?
A skimmer is a very important aspect and good water circulation is essential. Herbivores od all types are required to keep a healthy and clean reef tank. Feel free to give me a call and come visit. It really helps to see others tanks.
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 9:16am |
I would absolutely love to see those plans and designs as well. Please, please email me [email protected]
Adam
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 9:25am |
You can't post the plans here?
Send 'em to me too. [email protected]
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 9:27am |
I think everyone would like to see the plans so post them for us with pictures. Sounds like a really big tank. How are you gonna light that thing cheaply?
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 9:29am |
Thanks for the posts on Utah rock and sand. I will read them over the weekend. I may have questions, but I can always post them here.
I am putting together my scribbles on tank plans into something coherent. I would be happy to post it here if I can figure out how to do that (I think I need pictures to communicate a couple of things, but I will see what I can work up). If I could post a word perfect file, it would work fine, so if that is possible let me know.
And dukester48, unfortunately I can't post pictures of my freshwater I built (sigh). I built it too big to get out the door (door frames are only 36"-40" wide) and so I had to leave it when I left Arizona. Now I am just running an 80 gallon freshwater and a few smaller freshwater tanks.
EDIT: On the brighter side, it does give me an excuse to build a new tank...
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 1:43pm |
Ok, I have converted my chicken scratches into a word perfect and a pdf. How do I post them on the forum?
Let me know, and in the meantime I will email these out.
EDIT: Emails have gone out to [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected]. Anyone else, let me know.
EDIT: I found a picture of a similarly constructed 500+ gallon tank (96" x 36" x 36"). It was done using at least the same design philosophy on the tank (although I can't vouch for the specifics of how it was done). The designer of this tank put it directly into the wall rather than on a stand. So there are some differences, but I know people want a picture and I can't give them one, so this at least gives you the idea. Again, not my work but according to the source it was the same concept.


As a side note, how in the world does he get into his sump, or anything else with the tank in the wall like this?
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 5:09pm |
Hi sheldrine,
could you please send me the .pdf file as well. My email address is
[email protected] . If you'd like I can host the file for you and post a link so it
can be downloaded.
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 5:54pm |
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Sheldrine,
Keodog is located in Sandy. He built a homemade tank and used utah rock
and sand. He can probably give you some great ideas.
Welcome to the site!
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 5:54pm |
Hi all,
sheldrine's tank plans can be found here:
pdf file
wpd file
perhaps it would be easiest if the files are hosted on the WMAS servers so
sheldrine can update and upload the files more easily?
regards,
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 9:36am |
Plywood tank. 
Doesn't work as well for saltwater. Keodog/Kevin built a nice tank and the aquamarine colored 2-part epoxy paint looks good, but it is corroding at the air-water interface. The best I can figure is that salt creep gets into the microscopic pores of the paint and acts like ice on a rock. Over time with repeated wetting and drying the salt crystals expand and crack open the paint.
I would check with Keodog about another specific design difficulty that is creating a problem for his plywood tank, before I jumped into it.
LeRoy and Sally Jo Headlee ( www.garf.org ) have been great friends to the WMAS, especially in it's early days. Several of us have been to their facility many times in the past. Unfortunately, they no longer accept visitors. They are two of the great pioneers in the hobby.
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 9:45am |
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Mark, thanks for the heads up, especially since the tank works well for freshwater, I need to know if there are saltwalter issues. And Keedog, if he is listening, what are the problems you are experiencing?
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 9:58am |
I would think you could line a plywood tank with acrylic fairly easily. It would cost much less also since you could use much thinner material.
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